<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Apologies if I have not seen to this earlier, but if measurements from OSM are crucial, then what about a route_master structure for the NHs and SHs (according to the guidance at <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route#Members" class="">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route#Members</a>)?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It would 
allow each direction to have its own relation and then we can easily get
 the average distance from the two. It just seems odd that only one side is measured.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">— Amaroussi.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 24 Jul 2016, at 17:48, Naveen Francis <<a href="mailto:naveenpf@gmail.com" class="">naveenpf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Statewise NH relations are created for more accurate NH lengths. </div><div class="">It is used is wikipedia directly. (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Highways_in_India_by_State#Andhra_Pradesh" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Highways_in_India_by_State#Andhra_Pradesh</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_in_Kerala#National_Highways" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_in_Kerala#National_Highways</a>)</div><div class="">Appreciate if it is not changed, without any good proposals. </div><div class="">Lot of work has gone behind that. </div><div class="">Every month new highway notifications from govt gazatte are mapped. </div><div class="">Errors in NH are documented here. </div><div class=""><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:India:National_Highways_(statewise)" class="">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:India:National_Highways_(statewise)</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks, </div><div class="">naveenpf </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 24 July 2016 at 17:05, Amaroussi (OpenStreetMap) <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:mapper@minoa.li" target="_blank" class="">mapper@minoa.li</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">It appears there was an oversight in one of changesets for the NH44 relations, where I should have checked that the members were still in the original NH44 relation. The error occurred when I was ordering the NH44 relation.<div class=""><div class="h5"><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 24 Jul 2016, at 11:27, I Chengappa <<a href="mailto:imchengappa@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">imchengappa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Heinz_V has made relevant comments in a forum post at <a href="http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=17851&p=3" target="_blank" class="">http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=17851&p=3</a>. I've not been paying attention to most road / route relations, but I understand that there has been a coherent mapping of national highways in India, mostly due to him, which has now been broken. As the discussion has primarily been there so far, I suggest that it should continue there. <br class=""><br class=""></div>This discussion, between two users over one day and in a separate forum from that discussion, does not constitute general acceptance, even by default. Hence there is an argument for reverting the changes. <br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 21 July 2016 at 16:25, Arun Ganesh <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:arun.planemad@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">arun.planemad@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">This is looking good to me. It would be great to have a diary post on tools/workflow to do this. Have always found handling and modifying these relations painful.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Amaroussi (OpenStreetMap) <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:mapper@minoa.li" target="_blank" class="">mapper@minoa.li</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br class="">
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I have set up NH765 as a prototype for the reformed relations - NH765 is a small route where it should be easy to fine tune the idea before full-scale conversion.<br class="">
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The base route (<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3871741" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3871741</a>) would only contain sub-relations with for each State that it passes through with appropriate role names (as the E-route system already does).<br class="">
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The sub-relations, for Telangana (<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5826946" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5826946</a>) and Andhra Pradesh (<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5826980" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5826980</a>) in our case, would contain appropriately ordered ways, with the main route on top and links (slip roads) at the bottom.<br class="">
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I envisage that one relation for each state should be sufficient for the time being.<br class="">
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— Amaroussi.<br class="">
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