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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Grazie Volker! Ho informato Markuss
della richiesta di riorganizzazione. È stata scelta la comunità
italiana perchè le altre (Inglese, Tedesca, Francese) sono troppo
grandi per una recensione iniziale (troppi commenti da gestire
contemporaneamene nella prima fase) e perchè aveva avuto modo di
parlare con me all'epoca della traduzione della pagina wiki di
Keypad Mapper 3, quindi ero uno dei possibili contatti con la
comunità italiana.<br>
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Leonardo<br>
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Il 07/02/2014 12:44, Volker Schmidt ha scritto:<br>
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<div> per favore non fermarti con i commenti, anche se
sono tanti. Se preferisci, fai un commento generale
sulla qualità, indicando i casi eclatanti di icone
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<div>Il commento generale l'ho già fatto. <br>
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Il feedback iniziale della comunità italiana è stato
scelto solo perché Markuss sta ancora ottimizzando
la procedura di review e si voleva iniziare
semplicemente da una wiki. Sarebbe controproducente
mostrare questo lavoro se la struttura necessaria
per commentarla fosse troppo "traballante". <br>
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<div>Anche se non ho capito perché si procede con questo
prima in Italia, ...<br>
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<div>Prima cosa che propongo, è di riorganizzare la lista
in tal modo che icone della stessa categoria siano
raggruppati (mi sono trovato di commentare su un
pittogramma, e poi ho trovato lo stesso pittogramma
utilizzato per un altro tipo di POI della stessa
categoria più avanti. Mi sembra di capire che la
numerazione dei pittogrammi è sistematica e gerarchica.
Allora, prima di tutto mettete la lista in rete in
ordine di questi numeri. <br>
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È naturale che il lavoro sarà esposto al commento
internazionale, altrimenti come potrebbe essere
anche solo preso in considerazione per il sito <a
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target="_blank">osm.org</a>?<br>
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<div>Meno male, ma quest'affermazione sul sito sembravo
molto strano. <br>
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Aspettiamo i tuoi commenti!<br>
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<div>Ecco i primi 20%:<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">19001: If
23001 is used
for an military airfield the symbol 19001 should only
be used for
civil airport (see 11001)</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">The symbol for
an historic
aircraft needs to be different, maybe a biplane symbol
could do the
trick</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">23002:
impossible to
understand</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">25002:
difficult to
recognise</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">34001: put a
ship in the
bathtub, otherwise impossible to recognise</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">25003:
impossible to
understand</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">16003: change
the form of
the hive </p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">27003: why not
use the
"railway crossing" European road sign (see 27007)</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">35000: looks
like a camp
site for homosexuals :-)</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">23003:
impossible to
understand</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">32003: replace
the man by
a bus (as in 32001)</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">16005:
misleading, use
34003 instead</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">29007:
misleading - I only
see wine bottles in the pictogram</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">21002: looks
like an
emergency exit</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">27005:
difficult to
recognise</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">29010: looks
like the sign
of a calligrapher. This is not a pictogram. Put some
clothes on it,
but not a letter </p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">21004: repair
the
binoculars (connect the two parts)</p>
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</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">29025:
difficult to
recognise</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">26001:
impossible to
understand. Needs to have the electricity symbol added</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">22003: looks
like an eye.
Why not use a light-tower symbol?</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">22006: the tag
man_made=campanile
documented in the wiki but is used only 130 times. It
looks that the tag is wrong as it refers to the
Swedish Klockstapel which is completely different from
a "campanile". The normal tagging for a campanile is
man_made=tower + tower:type= bell_tower
should be covered by the same pictogram. (it's
"official" and used more then 5000 times). The
pictogram is misleading,
as a campanile is much higher than the bell-frame
shown in the
pictogram (see <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_tower"
target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_tower</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campanile"
target="_blank">https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campanile</a>)</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">(I will raise
this point in the Tagging mailing list)<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">13004:
impossible to
understand. Why not use the "customs" road sign
(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BSicon_GRENZE_legende.svg"
target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BSicon_GRENZE_legende.svg</a>)</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">24003:
misleading; I see a
mountain, but not a glacier here</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">22008:
misleading; this is
a cooling tower, not a chimney</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">13006:
impossible to
understand</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">35001:
misleading; looks
like a camp site with a bar (strange antenna)</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">19005:
misleading; looks
like a historic British phone box. Unrecognisable as a
historic
building</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">26004: missing
electricity
symbol. Unrecognisable without that.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">19006: use a
side view
instead (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://4vector.com/free-vector/cannon-clip-art-110239"
target="_blank">http://4vector.com/free-vector/cannon-clip-art-110239</a>)</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">19008:
misleading;
historic=church is a former church, no longer in use.
The pictogram
does not imply this.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">19010:
historic=farm is a
former farm, no longer in use. The pictogram does not
imply this.
Anyway, even for a working farm, it is not very clear</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">19020:
misleading;looks
like a city wall tower, not like a fort</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">13007:
misleading; looks
like a zebra crossing (seen from the pedestrian point
of view)</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">13008:
difficult to
understand without something where the chani is fixed
to</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">13010:
misleading; looks
like a road bump</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">26005: this is
a cooling
tower, not a power generator (which could be also a
wind power
generator</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">26008: why
does this one
not have a cooling tower?</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">Generally for
power
generators: I would add the output type of power, i.e.
in most cases
electricity</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">26021: why not
use the
cooling tower symbol as for the biogas generator</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">22009:
clear-cut shut not
be mapped anyway, as it does not last. The pictogram
does not show a
clear-cut, but suggests dead trees</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">25007:
misleading. For me
this is a money lender or a lawyer</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">18007:
misleading. There
should <u>not</u> be a separate symbol for mini-
(i.e. traversable)
and "normal" (i.e. non traversable) roundabouts.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">27023:
difficult to
understand</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB"><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm" lang="en-GB">24007: in
principle
useful, but corresponds to an abandoned tag proposal
(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Trees"
target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Trees</a>)
even though it's in use</p>
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