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    <p>Mah... io inizialmente avevo capito che si doveva trattare di un
      oggetto (nodo) separato, ma sono andato a rivedermi il wiki [1] e
      vedo che è esplicitamente detto che: "Use only on already existing
      highway=* or waterway=*, since this is a property of the usability
      of the way. For separate ("wayless") obstacles please use the
      barrier=* key.", cioè va applicato esclusivamente a
      higway/waterway preesistenti.</p>
    <p>SE così è, però, "obstacle" diventa solo un attributo della way
      (tutto il sentiero in questo caso?) e non ne viene data una
      precisa geolocalizzazione.</p>
    <p>SE il sentiero è realmente interrotto in quel punto, quello che
      FORSE sarebbe corretto fare sarebbe di "spezzare" la way
      introducendo un nuovo segmento (lungo quanto è giusto...) che la
      separi nei due tronconi, assegnare a quella way lo stesso nome del
      sentiero, darle la key "obstacle" e mettere foot=no in modo da
      interrompere eventuali routing perché obstacle, di per se, indica
      solo una "ostruzione", difficoltà di passaggio, e non implica
      necessariamente una interruzione, almeno a quanto detto nella
      PROPOSTA della key [2] ("Objective obstacles in a path (or
      highways) that <b>difficult the passability</b>").</p>
    <p>Riguardo all'uso di access=no, che effettivamente sembra più una
      restrizione di tipo legale-amministrativo, avevo trovato da
      qualche parte l'indicazione di usarla con obstacle, ma devo
      ammettere che allo stato attuale non sono più in grado di
      ricordarmi (Alzehimer?) dove, né di ri-trovarla...<br>
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    <p>[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:obstacle">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:obstacle</a><br>
      [2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Obstacle">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Obstacle</a><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-08-30 15:40, Roberto Brazzelli
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr"><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><font
            style="vertical-align:inherit">ok grazie, ma si crea nodo in
            corrispondenza dell'ostacolo o sulla way aggiungo </font></font>
        <div><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><font
              style="vertical-align:inherit">il tag </font></font>
          obstacle=fallen_tree?</div>
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        <div><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><font
              style="vertical-align:inherit">Roberto</font></font><br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Il giorno gio 30 ago 2018 alle ore 10:30
                Alfredo Gattai <<a
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                ha scritto:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr"><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><font
                      style="vertical-align:inherit">Piu' cose si
                      mettono, piu' diventa oneroso mantenere il DB e
                      piu' problemi si creano alle varie app che usano i
                      dati.</font></font>
                  <div><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><font
                        style="vertical-align:inherit">Chi si trovera' a
                        ripristinare la percorribilita' potrebbe non
                        essere un osmer quindi essere ignaro che esiste
                        un DB da aggiornare.</font></font></div>
                  <div><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><font
                        style="vertical-align:inherit">Anche se fosse un
                        osmer potrebbe non accorgersi di tutti i tag da
                        modificare in base alla nuova condizione</font></font></div>
                  <div><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><font
                        style="vertical-align:inherit">Invece se ci
                        limitiamo a mettere obstacle=il tipo di
                        ostacolo, chi successivamente lo trovasse
                        sgombro avrebbe vita facile a fare la modifica.</font></font></div>
                  <div><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><font
                        style="vertical-align:inherit">Per quanto
                        riguarda access=no, andrebbe messo solo se ci
                        sono transenne e/o cartelli che vietano
                        l'accesso.</font></font></div>
                  <div><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><font
                        style="vertical-align:inherit">Spesso poi accade
                        che certe situazioni si risolvano col tempo a
                        suon di passare di lato all'ostruzione quindi i
                        casi dove c'e' una vera interruzione dove la
                        soluzione di Volker si applica bene sono quelle
                        dove sono franati ponti o si sono create lunghe
                        voragini inaggirabili.</font></font></div>
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                  <div><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><font
                        style="vertical-align:inherit">Alfredo</font></font></div>
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                        style="vertical-align:inherit">Il gio, 30 agosto
                        2018 alle </font></font><a
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                          style="vertical-align:inherit">9:54</font></font></a><font
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                        style="vertical-align:inherit"> Volker Schmidt
                        < </font><a href="mailto:voschix@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><font
                          style="vertical-align:inherit">voschix@gmail.com</font></a><font
                        style="vertical-align:inherit"> > ha scritto:</font></font><br>
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                          style="vertical-align:inherit">Io
                          interromperei il sentiero in posizione
                          dell'ostacolo, Per indicare che non si passa
                          con nessun modo di trasporto aggiungerei
                          noexit=yes su entrambi nuovi nodi finali.</font></font><br>
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