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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also sorry for answering with English.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The practice in some regions of using name=Local Name (English Name) breaks multi-lingual renderings *<b>badly</b>*, because if you try to then do an English map you end up with English Name (Local Name (English Name)).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The OSM.org Mapnik rendering is not intended to be an English map or a map using the most common international name, it is intended to be a map which displays the local name.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Fabien SK [mailto:fabiensk@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 04, 2013 2:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> OpenStreetMap Japanese talk<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSM-ja] </span><span lang=JA style='font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext'>$B;T$NL>>N(B</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>: </span><span lang=JA style='font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext'>$B%m!<%^;z(B</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sorry for answering in English.<br><br>In fact I think that filling the "name:*" for each language would be the best for the data. But currently Mapnik only uses "name", and even if it contains the roman name, it will not be practical for russian, arabian and indian people for example.<br><br>Fabien<br><br>Le 04/09/2013 11:38, ikiya a ecrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>ikiya<span lang=JA>$B$G$9!#(B</span><br><br>><span lang=JA>$B8E66$5$s(B</span><br>>name <span lang=JA>$B$OF|K\8l$N$_(B</span><br>>name:en, name:ja_rm, name:ja_kana <span lang=JA>$BEy$rJ;MQ$7$FB?8@8l2=$7$F$$$/J}8~$K;?@.$G$9!#(B</span><br><br>><span lang=JA>$B$$$$$@$5$s(B</span><br>><span lang=JA>$BKM$O%+%C%3=q$-$r$d$a$?$$$H;W$C$F$$$^$9!#(B</span><br>>(name:en<span lang=JA>$B$d(B</span> name:ja_rm, name:ja_kana <span lang=JA>$B$r;H$&$h$&$K$7$?$$(B</span>)<br><br><span lang=JA>$B;d$b(B</span>name:en, name:ja_rm, name:ja_kana <span lang=JA>$BEy$rJ;MQ$7$FB?8@8l2=$7$F$$$/J}8~$K;?@.$G$9!#(B</span><br>name<span lang=JA>$B$rF|K\8l$N$_$K$9$k$3$H$b>-MhE*$K$O;?@.$G$9!#(B</span><br><span lang=JA>$B$?$@?5=EO@$G$9$,!"8=>u$N%m!<%^;zJ;5-$r>C$9!";_$a$k%?%$%_%s%0$O9M$($?$[$&$,NI$$$H;W$$$^$9!#(B</span><br><br><span lang=JA>$B8=>u$G(B</span>mapnik<span lang=JA>$B$N%l%s%@%j%s%0$GF|K\$NCO?^$N%m!<%^;zI=<(!"FI$_$rI,MW$H$7$FMxMQ$7$F$?$j!"(B</span><br><span lang=JA>$B:#$^$G$N%k!<%k$G%m!<%^;zFI$_$N%^%C%T%s%0$KCmNO!"(B</span>mapnik<span lang=JA>$B$G3NG'$5$l$?$$J}!9$,$$$k$H$7$?$i(B</span><br><span lang=JA>$B:$$k$H;W$$$^$9!#(B</span><br><span lang=JA>$B:#8e$OB?8@8lBP1~$N%l%s%@%j%s%0%5%$%H$b$h$j%a%8%c!<$K$J$C$F$/$k$H;W$$$^$9!#(B</span><br><span lang=JA>$BB?8@8lBP1~$N(B</span>OSM<span lang=JA>$B%l(B$B%s%@%j%s%0%5%$%H$,(B</span>osm.org<span lang=JA>$B$N(B</span>mapnik<span lang=JA>$B$J$_$KMxMQ$G$-$k4D6-$K$J$C$F$+$i(B</span><br><span lang=JA>$B8=>u$N%m!<%^;zJ;5-$r>C$9!";_$a$k$N$,$h$$$+$H;W$$$^$9!#(B</span><br><br><span lang=JA>$B$h$$B?8@8lBP1~%5%$%H$,$"$l$P%m!<%^;zI=<($,I,MW(B $B$J%f!<%6!<$KA&$a$k$3$H$b(B</span><br><span lang=JA>$BJ}K!$+$H$O;W$$$^$9!#(B</span><br><br>*******************************<br><br>Fabien SK<span lang=JA>$B$5$s$X!"<ALd$7$^$9!#(B</span><br><br><span lang=JA>$BF|K\8l$H%m!<%^;z$NL>>N$,N>J}$"$C$?$[$&$,$h$$$G$9$+!)(B</span><br><span lang=JA>$B$b$7!"$=$&$G$"$l$P!"(B</span><br><span lang=JA>$BF|K\8l$H%m!<%^;z$,$"$k$[$&$,$h$$M}M3$r$*CN$i$;$/$@$5$$!#(B</span><br><br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 2013/9/4, Taichi Furuhashi <i><a href="mailto:taichi@osmf.jp"><taichi@osmf.jp></a></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div id=yiv355560649><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=JA>$B8E66$G$9!#(B</span><br><br><br>name <span lang=JA>$B$OF|K\8l$N$_(B</span><br>name:en, name:ja_rm, name:ja_kana <span lang=JA>$BEy$rJ;MQ$7$FB?8@8l2=$7$F$$$/J}8~$K;?@.$G$9!#(B</span><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2013<span lang=JA>$BG/(B</span>9<span lang=JA>$B7n(B</span>4<span lang=JA>$BF|(B</span> 13:35 Satoshi IIDA <<a href="/mc/compose?to=nyampire@gmail.com" target="_blank">nyampire@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><span lang=JA>$B$$$$$@$G$9!#(B</span><br><br>> <span lang=JA>$B$[$+$N$$$/$D$+$N9q$O:G6a$3$N%Q%?!<%s$r$d$a$^$7$?!#!JNc$($P!"(B </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=JA>$B%?%$!#!K(B</span><br>> <span lang=JA>$BBe$o$j$K!"(B</span>name:en <span lang=JA>$B$H$+(B</span> name:ja_rm <span lang=JA>$B$H$+;H$&$h$&$K$J$C$F$$$^$7$?!#(B</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=JA>$B%m!<%=%s$5$s%G!<%?$N%$%s%]!<%H$K4X$9$k%a!<%k$G$b=q$$$?$N$G$9$,!"(B</span><br><span lang=JA>$BKM$O%+%C%3=q$-$r$d$a$?$$$H;W$C$F$$$^$9!#(B</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(name:en<span lang=JA>$B$d(B</span> name:ja_rm, name:ja_kana <span lang=JA>$B$r;H$&$h$&$K$7$?$$(B</span>)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><span lang=JA>$BB>$N$_$J$5$s$O$$$+$,$G$7$g$&$+!)(B</span><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2013<span lang=JA>$BG/(B</span>9<span lang=JA>$B7n(B</span>4<span lang=JA>$BF|(B</span> 8:25 Douglas Perkins <<a href="/mc/compose?to=douglas@dperkins.org" target="_blank">douglas@dperkins.org</a>>: <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=JA>$B%@%0%i%9$G$9!#(B</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>On 09/04/2013 04:08 AM, Fabien SK wrote:<br>> Fabien<span lang=JA>$B$G$9!#(B</span><br>><br>> <span lang=JA>$B$"$NJQ99$G%m!<%^;z$NL>>N$O=|$+$l$F$$$?!#(B</span><br>><br>> <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/15407085" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/15407085</a><br>><br>> <span lang=JA>$B$"$N%Z!<%8$K$h$l$PF|K\8l$H%m!<%^;z$NL>>N$NI,MW$G$9!#(B</span><br>><br>> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:Multilingual_names#.E6.97.A5.E6.9C.AC" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:Multilingual_names#.E6.97.A5.E6.9C.AC</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=JA>$B:#$K$O$=$N%Z!<%8$O(B $B!V(B</span>name=<span lang=JA>$BF|K\8l(B</span> (<span lang=JA>$B%m!<%^;z(B</span>)<span lang=JA>$B!W$,=q$$$F$$$^$9!#(B</span><br><span lang=JA>$B$[$+$N$$$/$D$+$N9q$O:G6a$3$N%Q%?!<%s$r$d$a$^$7$?!#!JNc$($P!"%?%$!#!K(B</span><br><span lang=JA>$BBe$o$j$K!"(B</span>name:en <span lang=JA>$B$H$+(B</span> name:ja_rm <span lang=JA>$B$H$+;H$&$h$&$K$J$C$F$$$^$7$?!#(B</span><br>OSM<span lang=JA>$BF|K\$O$3$l$+$i$J$K$+M=Dj$,$"$j$^$9$+!)(B</span><br><span lang=JA>$B;d$O0U8+$J$$$G$9$,!"$b$7M=Dj$,$"$l$P!"CN$j$?$$$H;W$$$^$9!#(B</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>> <span lang=JA>$B$3$NJT=8$r<h$j>C$7$F$b$h$m$7$$$G$9$+!#(B</span><br>> <span lang=JA>$B$4$a$s$J$5$$!"$o$?$7$OF|K\8l$,$&$^$/OC$;$^$;$s!#(B</span><br>><br>> Fabien<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Talk-ja mailing list<br>> <a href="/mc/compose?to=Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja</a><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-ja mailing list<br><a href="/mc/compose?to=Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><br><br clear=all><br><span class=yiv355560649hoenzb>-- </span><br><span class=yiv355560649hoenzb>Satoshi IIDA</span><br><span class=yiv355560649hoenzb>mail: <a href="/mc/compose?to=nyampire@gmail.com" target="_blank">nyampire@gmail.com</a></span><br><span class=yiv355560649hoenzb>twitter: @nyampire </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-ja mailing list<br><a href="/mc/compose?to=Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br>## Taichi FURUHASHI(MAPconcierge Inc. President)<br>## MAPconcierge satellite office at <a href="http://goo.gl/VgWD6" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/VgWD6</a> in NOMAD NEW'SBASE<br>## Vice-President of OpenStreetMap Foundation Japan with <a href="http://sinsai.info/" target="_blank">sinsai.info</a> project<br>## Director of the OSGeo Foundation Japan<br>## Researcher of the center for spatial info. science, univ.of Tokyo<br>## TEL/Skype&Twitter&LI&FB: 070-6401-5963 / <a href="http://about.me/mapconcierge" target="_blank">http://about.me/mapconcierge</a><br>## URL/Mail: <a href="http://www.mapconcierge.jp/" target="_blank">http://www.mapconcierge.jp</a> <a href="/mc/compose?to=taichi@mapconcierge.jp" target="_blank">taichi@mapconcierge.jp</a><br>## GPS/GigaPan/UAV Shop: <a href="http://gpsconcierge.jp/" target="_blank">http://gpsconcierge.jp</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Talk-ja mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org">Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>