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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/12/2014 02:56 PM, Satoshi IIDA
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        <div>Thank you, Paul.<br>
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        <div>IMHO, "Droid Sans Fallback" is better.<br>
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        <div>but I don't know detailed (well known) errors of between
          CJK fonts.</div>
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    I agree.  To my eyes, Droid Sans Fallback is better.  Some of the
    smaller pieces of kanji are easier to read using it.<br>
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    -douglas<br>
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            > Talk-ja guys<br>
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          <div>Please feel free to comment on here.<br>
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          <div>(Using Japanese language is OK :) )<br>
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          Summarized translation of Paul's messages are following.<br>
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          ==<br>
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        <div>To Talk-ja $B$N$+$?$,$?(B<br>
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          - $B8=:_(BOSM.org$B$G$O!"(BDejaVu
          font$B$K4^$^$l$F$$$J$$F|K\8l!&Cf9q8l!&4Z9q8l$NJ8;z$rI=<($9$k$?$a$K!"(BUnifont $B$,;HMQ$5$l$F$$$^$9(B<br>
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        <div>- Unifont$B$O$9$Y$F$NJ8;z$r%+%P!<$9$k$?$a$K:n$i$l$F$$$^$9$,!"8+$?L\$O$"$^$jNI$/$"$j$^$;$s(B<br>
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          - $B8=:_!"(BDroid Sans Fallback$B$H$$$&!"(BAndroid$BMQ$K:n$i$l$?%U%j!<%U%)%s%H$r8+$D$1$F$$$^$9(B</div>
        <div>- "Unifont" $B$H(B "Droid Sans
          Fallback"$B$N$I$A$i$N$[$&$,$h$$$+!"%U%#!<%I%P%C%/$,$[$7$$$H;W$C$F$$$^$9(B<br>
          - $BI=<(%F%9%HMQ$N%5!<%P$rMQ0U$7$?$N$G!"8+$?L\$r%A%'%C%/$G$-$^$9(B<br>
             <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html"
            target="_blank">http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html</a><br>
            - $B$"$^$j6/NO$J%5!<%P$G$O$J$$$N$G!"I=<($K;~4V$,$+$+$j$^$9!#(B<br>
            - $B2hLL1&>e$+$i!"%?%$%k$NJQ99$,2DG=$G$9!#(B<br>
            -  "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://openstreetmap.org">openstreetmap.org</a>" =
          Unifont $B!"(B "Droid Fallback" = Droid Sans $B$K$J$j$^$9!#(B<br>
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        <div> - Paul$B$5$s<+?H$O$3$l$i$NJ8;z$rFI$a$J$$$N$G!"$_$J$5$s$N<j$rB_$7$F$$$?$@$-$?$$!#(B<br>
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          == <br>
          $B$$$$$@8D?ME*$H$7$F$O(BDroid$B$N$[$&$,e:No$@$H;W$&$N$G$9$,!"(B<br>
          1$B$D$N%3!<%I$GJ#?t$NJ8;z$KBP1~$7$F$$$k$b$N$,$"$C$?5$$,$7$F$$$F(B($B$&$m3P$((B)$B!"(B<br>
          $B$=$NJ8;z$,$I$&$$$&I=<($K$J$k$+$r5$$K$7$F$$$^$9!#(B<br>
          ($BCf9q8l$b!"HKqs;z(B(zh-tw)$B$H4JBN;z(B(zh-cn)$B$,$"$j$^$9$7(B)<br>
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          $B!V$3$A$i$N%U%)%s%H$N$[$&$,NI$$!W$"$k$$$O!V$b$C$H$h$$%U%)%s%H$,$"$k!W$J$I$N>pJs$r$*;}$A$NJ}$O65$($F$$$?$@$1$k$H4r$7$$$G$9(B<br>
          $BJV?.$OF|K\8l$G$bBg>fIW$G$9!#(B<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2014/1/12 Paul Norman <span dir="ltr"><<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:penorman@mac.com"
              target="_blank">penorman@mac.com</a>></span><br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Right now
            the main OpenStreetMap.org stylesheet uses Unifont as a<br>
            fallback font to render Chinese, Japanese and Korean (CJK)
            characters,<br>
            as well as any other characters not present in the DejaVu
            font. Unifont<br>
            is mainly designed to support all characters, and is not
            designed to<br>
            look good.<br>
            <br>
            I'm looking at Droid Sans Fallback, a free font developed
            for Android,<br>
            and evaluating if it would be a better fallback font than
            Unifont.<br>
            Because I don't read Chinese, Japanese or Korean, I could
            use help.<br>
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            I have prepared a demo at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html"
              target="_blank">http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html</a>
            with<br>
            three layers: conventional OSM.org, tiles without any
            fallback font, and<br>
            tiles using Droid Fallback as a fallback font.<br>
            <br>
            What I would like is for people to look at the difference
            between the<br>
            conventional OSM.org and Droid Fallback tiles and see which
            is easier to<br>
            read for the CJK glyphs. The tiles without any fallback font
            can be used<br>
            to find areas where DejaVu doesn't have glyphs and the
            fallback font is<br>
            being used.<br>
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            Some examples<br>
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            Japanese cities: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/35.443/138.247"
              target="_blank">http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/35.443/138.247</a><br>
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            Japanese train stations:<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#16/36.415/139.325"
              target="_blank">http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#16/36.415/139.325</a><br>
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            Korean cities: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/37.25/127.22"
              target="_blank">http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/37.25/127.22</a><br>
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            Chinese tourist attraction:<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#15/39.94/116.48"
              target="_blank">http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#15/39.94/116.48</a><br>
            <br>
            Please keep in mind that<br>
            <br>
            - My server is not nearly as powerful as <a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://tile.osm.org"
              target="_blank">tile.osm.org</a>, so renders slower<br>
              and has less cached data<br>
            - Only Asia is loaded on my server<br>
            - The data is a couple of days old and isn't being updated<br>
            <br>
            I would like some feedback on if Unifont or Droid Sans
            Fallback looks<br>
            better. Please keep in mind that I don't read the languages
            being rendered.<br>
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        -- <br>
        Satoshi IIDA<br>
        mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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