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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think all of the tagging should be correct now. By correct I mean free of any unintentional changes caused by the redaction and associated reverts, not any kind of DWG decision on the tagging of the region. That will only be addressed if complaints about the current status is made and it is necessary.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As for geometry improvements, they’re okay. I question how much you can improve it given that the imagery appears to be landsat and is likely offset, but if you think you can improve the geometry without relying on another source, go ahead.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung [mailto:wesley96@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 19, 2012 7:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Norman; Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-ko] DAUM as a source<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On further inspection, I think the old rendition of the islands suffer from incorrect position and size, and the small islets at the northwestern side is shown as a terrible artifact. With DWG's permission, I'd like to fix this and the incorrect data I mentioned below. I'll be depending mostly on the low-res Bing aerial in order to stay legal (national law or OSM license wise), but it should be better than what's there right now.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'll place my nodes and ways without any tags at first, so it doesn't render on the map. I'll switch over when there's an okay sign.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung <<a href="mailto:wesley96@gmail.com" target="_blank">wesley96@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I checked the reverted data now, and it's back when the Japanese users tampered with it. The following need to be fixed like this:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif"'><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1204196634/history" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1204196634/history</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif"'>This node should revert to version 1.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif"'><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1204196646/history" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1204196646/history</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif"'>This node should revert to version 3.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif"'><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1275586993/history" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1275586993/history</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif"'>This node should be deleted.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif"'>These changes should put the data back to the point before Japanese users such as "takeshima" started tampering with the area.<br></span><br><span style='font-family:"Gulim","sans-serif"'>나의</span> iPhone<span style='font-family:"Gulim","sans-serif"'>에서</span> <span style='font-family:"Gulim","sans-serif"'>보냄</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Wesley (OSM: Namuori)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>2012. 10. 19. 14:27 Paul Norman <<a href="mailto:penorman@mac.com" target="_blank">penorman@mac.com</a>> <span style='font-family:"Gulim","sans-serif"'>작성</span>:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It’s CC BY-SA and not ODbL compatible. There’s the additional problem that it appears to be derived on a map from a South Korean maritime survey institution and a map published by dkbnews, so even if the author gave permission it’s not all his work.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think there’s a previous less accurate version of the coastline in the history but I’m having trouble finding it. If I can find it, I’ll restore that. It might take a couple of days before I can find it – retrieving history is somewhat of a pain. The area has gone through a *<b>lot</b>* of edits deleting and restoring objects.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I did restore the ferry route tagging.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung [<a href="mailto:wesley96@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:wesley96@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-ko] DAUM as a source</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>According to sanha, he doesn't read mailing lists, and he doesn't want to get into too much legal rambling.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The .osm file sanha made to replace the Daum-sourced map is based on this map:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif"'><a href="http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/File:Dokdo_zoomin.png" target="_blank">http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/File:Dokdo_zoomin.png</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif"'>The legal information is there in English. Would this be made to be compatible with ODbL?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif"'>The "spirit" seems to be, at least to me. Sadly, according to sanha, the creator is hard to get in contact with.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif"'>How should we go about this?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><br><span style='font-family:"Batang","serif"'>나의</span> iPhone<span style='font-family:"Batang","serif"'>에서</span> <span style='font-family:"Batang","serif"'>보냄</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>- Wesley (OSM: Namuori)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>2012. 10. 19. 12:36 Changwoo Ryu <<a href="mailto:cwryu@debian.org" target="_blank">cwryu@debian.org</a>> <span style='font-family:"Batang","serif"'>작성</span>:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I sent a message explaining those to that mapper.<br><br>Actually uploading DAUM data to OSM is more dangerous in Korea than<br>you think. All online map services in Korea (even Google map) are<br>based on data mapped by the government. And those government data<br>can't be exported without approval by a law. (Well it's because...<br>north korea and national security.. at least the government think so.)<br>One who violate that law can be put in jail for up to 2 years.<br><br>2012/10/19 Paul Norman <<a href="mailto:penorman@mac.com" target="_blank">penorman@mac.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Apologies for the message in English, but if I knew Korean I wouldn't need<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>to send it.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The DWG was informed that a Korean mapper<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>(<a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/sanha" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/sanha</a>) had used DAUM as a source.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I'm dealing with redacting the relevant changesets, but the mapper doesn't<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>speak English and I don't speak Korean so we're communicating through Google<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>translations.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I was wondering if someone could contact him and explain<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>- Why DAUM or Google can't be used as sources<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>and<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>- How we're on ODbL now, not CC BY-SA<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Paul Norman<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>For the Data Working Group<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Talk-ko mailing list<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="mailto:Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-ko mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Wesley Hwang-Chung<br>Tool-Box.info<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>