<div dir="ltr">In case of Korean, Droid Sans font is easy to read than Unifont.<div><div><div><div>Droid sans is more simple and make clarify the distinction between line and line.</div><div>I really thank you for your help.</div>
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1. CJK fallback fonts - testing needed (Paul Norman)<br>
2. Re: CJK fallback fonts - testing needed (Robert Helvie)<br>
<br><br>---------- 전달된 메시지 ----------<br>From: "Paul Norman" <<a href="mailto:penorman@mac.com">penorman@mac.com</a>><br>To: <<a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:talk-ja@openstreetmap.org">talk-ja@openstreetmap.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:talk-ko@openstreetmap.org">talk-ko@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
Cc: <br>Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 21:19:10 -0800<br>Subject: [Talk-ko] CJK fallback fonts - testing needed<br>Right now the main OpenStreetMap.org stylesheet uses Unifont as a<br>
fallback font to render Chinese, Japanese and Korean (CJK) characters,<br>
as well as any other characters not present in the DejaVu font. Unifont<br>
is mainly designed to support all characters, and is not designed to<br>
look good.<br>
<br>
I'm looking at Droid Sans Fallback, a free font developed for Android,<br>
and evaluating if it would be a better fallback font than Unifont.<br>
Because I don't read Chinese, Japanese or Korean, I could use help.<br>
<br>
I have prepared a demo at <a href="http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html" target="_blank">http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html</a> with<br>
three layers: conventional OSM.org, tiles without any fallback font, and<br>
tiles using Droid Fallback as a fallback font.<br>
<br>
What I would like is for people to look at the difference between the<br>
conventional OSM.org and Droid Fallback tiles and see which is easier to<br>
read for the CJK glyphs. The tiles without any fallback font can be used<br>
to find areas where DejaVu doesn't have glyphs and the fallback font is<br>
being used.<br>
<br>
Some examples<br>
<br>
Japanese cities: <a href="http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/35.443/138.247" target="_blank">http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/35.443/138.247</a><br>
<br>
Japanese train stations:<br>
<a href="http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#16/36.415/139.325" target="_blank">http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#16/36.415/139.325</a><br>
<br>
Korean cities: <a href="http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/37.25/127.22" target="_blank">http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/37.25/127.22</a><br>
<br>
Chinese tourist attraction:<br>
<a href="http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#15/39.94/116.48" target="_blank">http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#15/39.94/116.48</a><br>
<br>
Please keep in mind that<br>
<br>
- My server is not nearly as powerful as <a href="http://tile.osm.org" target="_blank">tile.osm.org</a>, so renders slower<br>
and has less cached data<br>
- Only Asia is loaded on my server<br>
- The data is a couple of days old and isn't being updated<br>
<br>
I would like some feedback on if Unifont or Droid Sans Fallback looks<br>
better. Please keep in mind that I don't read the languages being rendered.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><br>---------- 전달된 메시지 ----------<br>From: Robert Helvie <<a href="mailto:alimamo@gmail.com">alimamo@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Paul Norman <<a href="mailto:penorman@mac.com">penorman@mac.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org">Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
Cc: <br>Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 18:54:49 +0900<br>Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] CJK fallback fonts - testing needed<br><div dir="ltr">IMO the Droid font looks better for Hangul (Korea).<div>It is only a slight improvement in that the text is slightly darker than the respective text of Unifont, but it does make things easier to read. And at the smallest size, the Hangul is definitely more readable.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Hangul is more open (empty space) than the Chinese, though so I am not sure if that darker value will make Chinese harder to read.</div><div><br></div><div>Personally I think the Korean (Hangul) text is a bit small and could maybe go up a point, but again, just my opinion.</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Paul Norman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:penorman@mac.com" target="_blank">penorman@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Right now the main OpenStreetMap.org stylesheet uses Unifont as a<br>
fallback font to render Chinese, Japanese and Korean (CJK) characters,<br>
as well as any other characters not present in the DejaVu font. Unifont<br>
is mainly designed to support all characters, and is not designed to<br>
look good.<br>
<br>
I'm looking at Droid Sans Fallback, a free font developed for Android,<br>
and evaluating if it would be a better fallback font than Unifont.<br>
Because I don't read Chinese, Japanese or Korean, I could use help.<br>
<br>
I have prepared a demo at <a href="http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html" target="_blank">http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html</a> with<br>
three layers: conventional OSM.org, tiles without any fallback font, and<br>
tiles using Droid Fallback as a fallback font.<br>
<br>
What I would like is for people to look at the difference between the<br>
conventional OSM.org and Droid Fallback tiles and see which is easier to<br>
read for the CJK glyphs. The tiles without any fallback font can be used<br>
to find areas where DejaVu doesn't have glyphs and the fallback font is<br>
being used.<br>
<br>
Some examples<br>
<br>
Japanese cities: <a href="http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/35.443/138.247" target="_blank">http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/35.443/138.247</a><br>
<br>
Japanese train stations:<br>
<a href="http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#16/36.415/139.325" target="_blank">http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#16/36.415/139.325</a><br>
<br>
Korean cities: <a href="http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/37.25/127.22" target="_blank">http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/37.25/127.22</a><br>
<br>
Chinese tourist attraction:<br>
<a href="http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#15/39.94/116.48" target="_blank">http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#15/39.94/116.48</a><br>
<br>
Please keep in mind that<br>
<br>
- My server is not nearly as powerful as <a href="http://tile.osm.org" target="_blank">tile.osm.org</a>, so renders slower<br>
and has less cached data<br>
- Only Asia is loaded on my server<br>
- The data is a couple of days old and isn't being updated<br>
<br>
I would like some feedback on if Unifont or Droid Sans Fallback looks<br>
better. Please keep in mind that I don't read the languages being rendered.<br>
<br>
<br>
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