<div dir="ltr">Dear Robert and To whom it may concern,<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Upon Robert's request as below, I contacted with Mr. Hwang who raised Robert's concern. </div><div><br></div><div>Due to his time-sharing constraint, I could correspond with him only through OSM message system instead of phone call. </div><div><br></div><div>I delivered Robert's concerns, which were regarded valid, as strictly as possible. And, this morning he replied as follows:</div><div>- He fully acknowledges Robert Helvie's note and Kyu-sung Choi's reminder as well. </div><div>- He said to take advantage of Vworld imagery and the associated map services only to justify the street names.</div><div>- He committed not to use any longer questionable sources based on public survey results but to take advantage of imagery that comes with OSM.</div><div>- He appreciated the reminder of the concerns.</div><div>- He wished OSM community's development even in the future...<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I evaluate that Mr. Hwang appreciates Robert's concern with sincerity. And, this action reinforced his OSM contribution in the right course of work.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best regards,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Kyu-sung Choi </font></div></div></div></div></div>
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1. Questionable imagery (Robert Helvie)<br>
2. Re: Questionable imagery (Yongmin H.)<br>
3. Re: Questionable imagery (Changwoo Ryu)<br>
4. Re: Questionable imagery (Robert Helvie)<br>
<br><br>---------- 전달된 메시지 ----------<br>From: Robert Helvie <<a href="mailto:alimamo@gmail.com">alimamo@gmail.com</a>><br>To: "<a href="mailto:Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org">Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org">Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 00:37:16 +0900<br>Subject: [Talk-ko] Questionable imagery<br><div dir="ltr"><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>Does anyone know this user? <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%ED%99%A9%EC%9E%AC%EC%8A%B9" target="_blank">https://www.<wbr>openstreetmap.org/user/%ED%99%<wbr>A9%EC%9E%AC%EC%8A%B9</a></div><div><br></div><div>It appears that he is new and has added a lot of items recently. I am happy to have more local mappers, but I have a big concern.</div><div><br></div><div>From his changesets you can see that he is using custom imagery for mapping with the iD editor. The concern I have is that it LOOKS LIKE he is pulling the imagery from this site: <a href="http://map.vworld.kr/map/wcmaps.do#" target="_blank">http://map.vworld.kr/<wbr>map/wcmaps.do#</a> (pretty ingenious, actually). The imagery is much better than Mapbox or Bing, but it may not legally be usable with OSM.</div><div><br></div><div>Of course my Korean is not good enough to find the supplier for the imagery on that website, but I expect the license may not actually be compatible for use with OSM. If he is using that imagery to trace items or locate business, then he risks adding data to the OSM database that is not compatible and could put OSM in jeopardy.</div><div><br></div><div>I have just written to him through OSM asking about the imagery and how he uses it, but of course my message was in English.</div><div><br></div><div>If a Korean speaker could have a look at the website and find out more about the imagery and whether or not it is OK to use it with OSM (legally), that would help. And/or have a chat with the user, that might also be good.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Robert</div>
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<br><br>---------- 전달된 메시지 ----------<br>From: "Yongmin H." <<a href="mailto:lists@revi.pe.kr">lists@revi.pe.kr</a>><br>To: OpenStreetMap Korea <<a href="mailto:talk-ko@openstreetmap.org">talk-ko@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 01:00:38 +0900<br>Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] Questionable imagery<br><div dir="auto"><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>Website's 'Legal Notice'[1] says '<span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">지도는 측량 수로조사 및 지적에 관한 법률 제14조, 제15조 및 제16조에 의거 국토교통부 장관의 허가 없이는 복제, 국외 반출 및 본 지도를 이용한 다른 지도의 간행을 금하고 있습니다.', which translates to 'The map (in this webpage) is prohibited from copying, redistribution, and/or taking out the map outside the country without explicit consent of the Minister of Land, Infrastructure, and Transport according to the [act]'.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">I do not think he is legally allowed to distribute the maps from that site.</span><br><br><br>[1] : <a href="http://map.vworld.kr/map/po_wcmapuse_a005.do" target="_blank">http://map.vworld.kr/map/po_<wbr>wcmapuse_a005.do</a> (Written in Korean)</div><div><br><div><div>--</div><div>Yongmin</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone<div><a href="https://wp.revi.blog" target="_blank">https://wp.revi.blog</a><br><div>Please note that this address is list-only address and any non-mailing list mails will be treated as spam.</div><div>Please use <a href="https://encrypt.to/0x947f156f16250de39788c3c35b625da5beff197a" style="font-size:13pt" target="_blank">https://encrypt.to/<wbr>0x947f156f16250de39788c3c35b62<wbr>5da5beff197a</a>.</div></div></div></div><div><br>2017. 2. 8. 00:37 Robert Helvie <<a href="mailto:alimamo@gmail.com" target="_blank">alimamo@gmail.com</a>> 작성:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>Does anyone know this user? <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%ED%99%A9%EC%9E%AC%EC%8A%B9" target="_blank">https://www.<wbr>openstreetmap.org/user/%ED%99%<wbr>A9%EC%9E%AC%EC%8A%B9</a></div><div><br></div><div>It appears that he is new and has added a lot of items recently. I am happy to have more local mappers, but I have a big concern.</div><div><br></div><div>From his changesets you can see that he is using custom imagery for mapping with the iD editor. The concern I have is that it LOOKS LIKE he is pulling the imagery from this site: <a href="http://map.vworld.kr/map/wcmaps.do#" target="_blank">http://map.vworld.kr/<wbr>map/wcmaps.do#</a> (pretty ingenious, actually). The imagery is much better than Mapbox or Bing, but it may not legally be usable with OSM.</div><div><br></div><div>Of course my Korean is not good enough to find the supplier for the imagery on that website, but I expect the license may not actually be compatible for use with OSM. If he is using that imagery to trace items or locate business, then he risks adding data to the OSM database that is not compatible and could put OSM in jeopardy.</div><div><br></div><div>I have just written to him through OSM asking about the imagery and how he uses it, but of course my message was in English.</div><div><br></div><div>If a Korean speaker could have a look at the website and find out more about the imagery and whether or not it is OK to use it with OSM (legally), that would help. And/or have a chat with the user, that might also be good.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Robert</div>
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</div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>______________________________<wbr>_________________</span><br><span>Talk-ko mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org</a></span><br><span><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.<wbr>org/listinfo/talk-ko</a></span><br></div></blockquote></div><br><br>---------- 전달된 메시지 ----------<br>From: Changwoo Ryu <<a href="mailto:cwryu@debian.org">cwryu@debian.org</a>><br>To: OpenStreetMap Korea <<a href="mailto:talk-ko@openstreetmap.org">talk-ko@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 01:11:37 +0900<br>Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] Questionable imagery<br>Hello,<br>
<br>
The vworld site is running by the government 국토교통부. And you may know,<br>
"export" of government-driven map is a crime in Korea. Any data from<br>
this site should be avoided in OSM.<br>
<br>
<br>
2017-02-08 0:37 GMT+09:00 Robert Helvie <<a href="mailto:alimamo@gmail.com">alimamo@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> Hello,<br>
><br>
> Does anyone know this user?<br>
> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%ED%99%A9%EC%9E%AC%EC%8A%B9" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/<wbr>user/%ED%99%A9%EC%9E%AC%EC%8A%<wbr>B9</a><br>
><br>
> It appears that he is new and has added a lot of items recently. I am happy<br>
> to have more local mappers, but I have a big concern.<br>
><br>
> From his changesets you can see that he is using custom imagery for mapping<br>
> with the iD editor. The concern I have is that it LOOKS LIKE he is pulling<br>
> the imagery from this site: <a href="http://map.vworld.kr/map/wcmaps.do#" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://map.vworld.kr/map/<wbr>wcmaps.do#</a> (pretty<br>
> ingenious, actually). The imagery is much better than Mapbox or Bing, but it<br>
> may not legally be usable with OSM.<br>
><br>
> Of course my Korean is not good enough to find the supplier for the imagery<br>
> on that website, but I expect the license may not actually be compatible for<br>
> use with OSM. If he is using that imagery to trace items or locate business,<br>
> then he risks adding data to the OSM database that is not compatible and<br>
> could put OSM in jeopardy.<br>
><br>
> I have just written to him through OSM asking about the imagery and how he<br>
> uses it, but of course my message was in English.<br>
><br>
> If a Korean speaker could have a look at the website and find out more about<br>
> the imagery and whether or not it is OK to use it with OSM (legally), that<br>
> would help. And/or have a chat with the user, that might also be good.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> Robert<br>
><br>
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<br><br>---------- 전달된 메시지 ----------<br>From: Robert Helvie <<a href="mailto:alimamo@gmail.com">alimamo@gmail.com</a>><br>To: OpenStreetMap Korea <<a href="mailto:talk-ko@openstreetmap.org">talk-ko@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 11:14:37 +0900<br>Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] Questionable imagery<br><div dir="ltr">OK,<div><br></div><div>Yeah, I figured it likely wasn't a viable source.</div><div><br></div><div>I got a message back from him and he said he is only using it for reference, which is, I guess, OK as long as he doesn't actually use it to locate business or other things or try to make OSM look similar..</div><div><br></div><div>I suggested he should probably not use it as a custom imagery source since that information goes into the changeset.</div><div><br></div><div>But perhaps a Korean speaker could have a friendly chat with him to remind him, that might be helpful.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Robert</div><div><br></div><div>P.S. I forgot to mention the talk-ko list to him so you might want to do that, too.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-5288319546421603152gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><i>"We should give meaning to life, not wait for life to <br>give us meaning. "</i><br>~ unknown<br>---<br></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:11 AM, Changwoo Ryu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cwryu@debian.org" target="_blank">cwryu@debian.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello,<br>
<br>
The vworld site is running by the government 국토교통부. And you may know,<br>
"export" of government-driven map is a crime in Korea. Any data from<br>
this site should be avoided in OSM.<br>
<div class="m_-5288319546421603152HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5288319546421603152h5"><br>
<br>
2017-02-08 0:37 GMT+09:00 Robert Helvie <<a href="mailto:alimamo@gmail.com" target="_blank">alimamo@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> Hello,<br>
><br>
> Does anyone know this user?<br>
> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%ED%99%A9%EC%9E%AC%EC%8A%B9" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/<wbr>user/%ED%99%A9%EC%9E%AC%EC%8A%<wbr>B9</a><br>
><br>
> It appears that he is new and has added a lot of items recently. I am happy<br>
> to have more local mappers, but I have a big concern.<br>
><br>
> From his changesets you can see that he is using custom imagery for mapping<br>
> with the iD editor. The concern I have is that it LOOKS LIKE he is pulling<br>
> the imagery from this site: <a href="http://map.vworld.kr/map/wcmaps.do#" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://map.vworld.kr/map/wcmap<wbr>s.do#</a> (pretty<br>
> ingenious, actually). The imagery is much better than Mapbox or Bing, but it<br>
> may not legally be usable with OSM.<br>
><br>
> Of course my Korean is not good enough to find the supplier for the imagery<br>
> on that website, but I expect the license may not actually be compatible for<br>
> use with OSM. If he is using that imagery to trace items or locate business,<br>
> then he risks adding data to the OSM database that is not compatible and<br>
> could put OSM in jeopardy.<br>
><br>
> I have just written to him through OSM asking about the imagery and how he<br>
> uses it, but of course my message was in English.<br>
><br>
> If a Korean speaker could have a look at the website and find out more about<br>
> the imagery and whether or not it is OK to use it with OSM (legally), that<br>
> would help. And/or have a chat with the user, that might also be good.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> Robert<br>
><br>
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