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<p>Dear Rory, you wrote on HOT task 9844:<br>
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<p>
<blockquote type="cite"> From my understanding they made efforts
to engage you and ask for your help. Further, I believe the
YouthMappers chapter in Panama responded to you and shared with
you the OSM Wiki pages (per the OEG guidelines) they had created
for these tasks on another OSM channel</blockquote>
While we don't provide links, we're leaving space for
misunderstanding, so instead of misunderstanding you, let me tell
you I simply do not understand what you're talking about, would
you mind providing some detail? I'm not aware of (recent) efforts
to get in contact and definitely of any effort at all for staying
in contact. I do not even know who's the new president of the
chapter, let alone the members, or their plans.<br>
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<p>the DWG blocked some of their accounts, and in the text of the
message they received there was this part:</p>
<p>
<blockquote type="cite">The most important bit here is that every
single member of your team is recognizable as being in our team
(e.g. by writing something on the user profile page) and that
the team leadership is reachable for us.</blockquote>
The page they created does not contain a list of their members,
and none of the persons who's read the message has complied with
this request.</p>
<p>as said, we don't know who's at the leadership.<br>
</p>
<p>so, no, I don't believe the YouthMappers chapter in Panama
responded to either me nor the DWG.</p>
<p>best regards,</p>
<p>Mario Frasca</p>
<p>the complete text of the lock message follows (containing still
open questions):</p>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div class="im_message_text" dir="auto">Dear Youth Mappers at
Panama University,<br>
<br>
recently, a number of complaints have been raised against your
work in OpenStreetMap. Here are some of them:<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=12196736"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=12196736</a>
<a
href="https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=4366434"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><br>
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=4366434</a>
<a
href="https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=4366436"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><br>
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=4366436</a>
<a
href="https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=4928257"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><br>
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=4928257</a><br>
<br>
We’re always happy if new poeple join OSM, but if you train
students to contribute to OSM, you have a responsibility to
monitor the quality and ensure that if other mappers raise
complaints, these complaints are heard and acted upon.<br>
<br>
In your future work in OSM, please observe the organised
editing guidelines outlined here:<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines</a><br>
<br>
The most important bit here is that every single member of
your team is recognizable as being in our team (e.g. by
writing something on the user profile page) and that the team
leadership is reachable for us.<br>
<br>
The guidelines also require that you document your mapping
efforts. One user has done this for you in his diary entry:<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mariotomo/diary/395025"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mariotomo/diary/395025</a><br>
<br>
But this is not a job that the community should be doing for
you - it is you whou should be providing this documentation.<br>
<br>
Please, in your future OSM projects, ensure that students
receive proper training and follow the organised editing
guidelines.<br>
<br>
It is not a big deal if someone makes a mistake - we all make
mistakes. But, since you are introducing new people to OSM
every year, you really need to make it a part of that
introduction to explain to students that they need to work
together with the existing OSM community, and that they don’t
exist in an empty space.<br>
<br>
I am writing this as a block message to all accounts that are
currently involved hoping that it finally reaches someone who
is responsible, as the individual accounts do not list a
contact address, have not reacted to changeset comments, and
emails from OSM mappers to <a
href="mailto:info@youthmappers.org" target="_blank"
rel="noopener noreferrer">info@youthmappers.org</a> have
been without response.<br>
<br>
Please ignore this message and accept my apologies if you are
not involved with the group.<br>
<br>
Thank you for your understanding Frederik Ramm OSMF Data
Workin Group Ticket#2020120710000024</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
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<p><br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/12/2020 08:48, Mario Frasca
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:5c7c229d-3032-ce16-6633-fcd9e13d2bbb@anche.no">queridos
jóvenes mapeadores de la universidad de Panamá,
<br>
<br>
estoy comentando unas ediciones que están entrando en vuestras
áreas de interés, ejecutadas en forma de revisión de los datos
brutos, sea insertados durante vuestros "mapathon", sea llegando
gracias a los proyectos que siguen abiertos y siguen atrayendo
principiantes.
<br>
<br>
en particular Marianne_pty me responde
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/95350683">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/95350683</a>), y me pide que
no le dé comentarios generales.
<br>
<br>
pero, cuál canal tenemos abierto, para los comentarios generales?
<br>
<br>
intento vuestro correo e involucro la lista regional.
<br>
<br>
en el caso de Colón, los YMUP han escojido un lugar en que se está
tumbando y reconstruyendo. las fotos están —todas —
desactualizadas, Bing muestra una realidad que ya no existe,
mientras Maxar muestra muchos edificios destechados, o sea ya no
son `building` sino `disused:`, `abandoned:` o quizás serían
`landuse=greenfield`, tal vez ya `landuse=construction` o podrían
ser nuevos edificios ya entregados.
<br>
<br>
o sea: al momento mapear Colón es difícil, y les cuento que no
entiendo vuestra decisión de empujar maperos principiantes en un
lugar tan complicado y dinámico. igualmente difícil (aunque menos
dinámico) es vuestro mapeo de San Miguelito, donde tuvieron que
llamar expertos extranjeros, creo que de HOT, para revisar las
ediciones, que lo están haciendo sin consultarse con los maperos
activos en el país.
<br>
<br>
Marianne_pty escribe que vuestro grupo también se siente
comprometido con "la zona de Chiriquí afectada por el Huracán".
pero no entiendo, ya tienen sin completar la actividad HOT 4917,
el área de Guna Nega, las comunidades amenazadas por los ríos en
en sur del distrito de Mariato, porqué no concentrarse en una
cosa, sencilla o por lo menos a su alcance, y completarla
aprendiendo de ella?
<br>
<br>
además: cuál zona?
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:YMUP-2020-11-organized-editing-Chiriqu%C3%AD.jpg">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:YMUP-2020-11-organized-editing-Chiriqu%C3%AD.jpg</a><br>
<br>
cordialmente,
<br>
<br>
Mario Frasca
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