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<div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lithuania" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lithuania</a> page has a proposed<br></div><div dir="auto">schema for road classification and as far as I see<br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lt:WikiProject_Lithuania" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lt:WikiProject_Lithuania</a> has<br></div><div dir="auto">equivalent proposal<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Some parts are a bit suspicious and likely to result in problems<br></div><div dir="auto">(rigid adherence to official road classification seems to be proposed,<br></div><div dir="auto">and official road classes at least sometimes completely mismatch<br></div><div dir="auto">their actual importance)<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But especially<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"<br></div><div dir="auto">The following mapping is proposed:<br></div><div dir="auto">secondary -- county roads (paved)<br></div><div dir="auto">tertiary -- county roads (unpaved)"<br></div><div dir="auto">"<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">has problematic results where treated robotically:<br></div><div dir="auto">highway=tertiary with small paved segments ends being tagged<br></div><div dir="auto">with isolated highwa=secondary what makes no sense and<br></div><div dir="auto">is extreme oddity.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Note that highway=* road values such as primary/secondary/tertiary/unclassified<br></div><div dir="auto">are about road role/importance and not direct tagging of road quality<br></div><div dir="auto">and such disjointed road classes are odd at best<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It seems that such approach to road classification is considered as weird<br></div><div dir="auto">not only by myself, see <br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Lt:WikiProject_Lithuania">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Lt:WikiProject_Lithuania</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">See for example <br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/518530445#map=16/55.6427/22.4486&layers=N">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/518530445#map=16/55.6427/22.4486</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/757876997#map=16/55.9277/24.0718&layers=N">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/757876997#map=16/55.9277/24.0718</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">(I sadly found about it via drama in which I also participated , see <br></div><div dir="auto"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2022-June/087549.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2022-June/087549.html</a><br></div><div dir="auto">(that is how I become aware of that in the first place)<br></div><div dir="auto">and<br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121943595">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121943595</a></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121951869">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121951869</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/6043" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/6043</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">)<br></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I made <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121951869" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121951869</a> edit as<br></div><div dir="auto">this classification schema was described at OSM Wiki page<br></div><div dir="auto">as proposal.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If, for some reason, Lithuanian community supports creating<br></div><div dir="auto">such unusual disjointed highway=secondary fragments it would be <br></div><div dir="auto">useful to clarify it. Though I want to note that such tagging <br></div><div dir="auto">is extremely weird, unusual and mismatching how road classication<br></div><div dir="auto">works in OSM.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">I am not proposing a new tagging schema, but I would at least considering<br></div><div dir="auto">that short isolated strips of paved highway=tertiary should not be upgraded <br></div><div dir="auto">to disjointed highway=secondary (surface=paves/asphalt/concrete/... obviously<br></div><div dir="auto">still should be tagged on such roads to provide surface data).<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It seems to have no benefits whatsoever and is problematic from cartographic,<br></div><div dir="auto">consistency, QA and other perspectives.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I would also consider using in general highway=secondary to be used as indicator<br></div><div dir="auto">of importance, not as surface=paved - and from looking through Lithuania<br></div><div dir="auto">it seems that some quite small roads like<br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/243485255#map=15/55.7693/24.0950" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/243485255#map=15/55.7693/24.0950</a><br></div><div dir="auto">are getting tagged as highway=secondary<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And more widely - rigidly basing highway=* road classification on official<br></div><div dir="auto">schema will cauyse problems, and should have escape hatch at least for<br></div><div dir="auto">cases where official classification is blatantly wrong.<br></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">PS Ideally, road classification would not change on borders:<br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/54.22583/23.38369">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/54.22583/23.38369</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/54.09060/23.51764&layers=N">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/54.09060/23.51764</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/54.38052/22.81872&layers=N">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/54.38052/22.81872</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/54.39621/22.92510">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/54.39621/22.92510</a><br></div><div dir="auto">this road is not magically losing/gaining importace and it would be<br></div><div dir="auto">nice to discuss such cases to have continous road classes<br></div> </body>
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