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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL>>Tsja, wat moet ik daar allemaal op
antwoorden<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='color:#4F81BD'>Geen argumenten meer of
geen zin meer ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='color:#4F81BD'>Ook dat laatste begrijp
ik wel.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='color:#4F81BD'>Die ODBL is onderhevig
aan alle maatschappelijke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='color:#4F81BD'>fenomenen. Als de trein
eenmaal op gang is <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='color:#4F81BD'>dan stopt ie niet
zomaar.</span><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#4F81BD'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Een snelle scan van onderstaand docje levert alleen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>maar als resultaat op dat OSMF vindt dat ODBL een betere protectie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>oplevert dan CC-BY-SA omdat “data”in de US niet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>copyright-abel is (OK henk ?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>De domste paragraaf is nog wel:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>We would like to avoid someone like Google loading the whole
of OSM into their Map Maker system, where Google then lay claim to any further
improvements made by users. It is ok for them to load OSM, but improvements
must then be shared back. In such a case, Google would be required to
distribute the rendered tiles under CC BY-SA, but they would be free to
continue to use and improve the data without releasing it. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>This is a case which the community does not want to happen,
yet it may be possible under CC BY-SA. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dit is juist wél wat we willen. Google als een FORK van OSM.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Eeuwige roem zou ons deel zijn, en OSM blijft beter want wij
hebben<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>de users en niet google.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Vanwaar die eeuwige roep om protectie ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Het principe van OPEN is dat de data OPEN is.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Alleen de regelneven maken daar weer OPEN MAAR … van. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>En Henk, dat geeft nog geen argument waarom commerciële<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>gebruikers problemen hebben met onze huidige situatie.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ik verwachtte argumenten van de deelnemers aan die business
conferentie in de trant <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>van “wij willen geen SA”of “als we iets
toevoegen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>dan mag iedereen dat inpikken” of andere<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>met OPEN DATA incompatible argumenten.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kennelijk zijn de enige echte argumenten niet <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>boven tafel, of niet publiek. Ik begin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>haast te denken aan een hidden agenda.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>En Frank: wat valt er te beschermen aan OSM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Een iedereen die de data kaapt, kaapt alleen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>een (oude) kopie, en niet de community.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>En het was toch juist de bedoeling om de<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>OSM data zoveel mogelijk (her)gebruikt te krijgen ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>En wij blijven toch de source ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Wat kan een kaper doen dat wij niet willen aanmoedigen ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Of gaat het om de betekenis van het woord kapen ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Of is het alleen maar de behoefte iets te willen regelen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>om het regelen?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Weet je nog die stempelset op je 6<sup>e</sup> verjaardag
waarmee<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>je zo leuk ambtenaar kon spelen ? We hebben allemaal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>zo’n fase gehad, maar sommigen komen die nooit te boven.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>En Stefan:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ik hoor van je. Een rackje heb ik nog wel ;<)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Als we ergens een startkapitaaltje kunnen regelen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>voor de hardware en een backbone verbinding<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>dan wil ik graag aan de gang met allerlei PD toevoegingen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>aan OSM.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Gert<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span
lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Henk Hoff
[mailto:toffehoff@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 17 juni 2011 23:23<br>
<b>Aan:</b> OpenStreetMap NL discussion list<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSM-talk-nl] ODbL fase 4 aanstaande zondag<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Tsja, wat moet ik daar allemaal op antwoorden. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Ik laat het even bij deze vraag:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Heb je
één argument</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>behalve
“niet werk” en “uit de voeten”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Ja hoor, meerdere. Lees ze na op <a
href="http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Why_CC_BY-SA_is_Unsuitable">http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Why_CC_BY-SA_is_Unsuitable</a> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Gr,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Henk H.<o:p></o:p></p>
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