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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Rob, </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The list of layers and the tagging used is documented here: <a href="http://wiki.osm.org/LINZ">
http://wiki.osm.org/LINZ</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The new layers are marked as “Ready to import”. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In most cases there is an approved and uncontroversial tag for each layer (e.g. gates, masts, streams, towers, fords, etc.).
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<p class="MsoNormal">Most of these are just continuations from the original LINZ import from 2009-2014.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">When there isn’t an obvious tag, I’ve been emailing this mailing list, and sometimes also the ‘tagging’ mailing list.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The tricky layers are: </p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">pastoral leases</li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">water races (recently discussed on this mailing list)</li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">siphons (being discussed on the ‘tagging’ mailing list)</li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">fumaroles (tag proposal currently underway)</li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I haven’t emailed the imports mailing list about pastoral leases yet. Thought I’d check with talk-nz first.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regarding conflation:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Apologies, there’s not much info on the wiki page about this... I’m still trying to figure out how we can continue the partially imported layers, like rivers and scree.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I will update the wiki page tonight to explain more about how the data is being conflated.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kyle</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0cm"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:alley.rob@gmail.com">Rob Alley</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Monday, 20 September 2021 16:32<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:K.y.l.e@outlook.co.nz">Kyle Hensel</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Talk-nz] LINZ data import: South Island Pastoral Leases</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Definitely not landuse=farmland let's not further propagate it's incorrect usage. As per <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland</a> that is for crops
not grazing land which is what stations typically are.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is this also being documented on the imports page somewhere with conflation strategies etc documented? It also needs to be discussed on the imports mailing list.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, 20 Sept 2021 at 15:41, Kyle Hensel <<a href="mailto:K.y.l.e@outlook.co.nz">K.y.l.e@outlook.co.nz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi James,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Good idea about landuse=meadow. I’ve just compared the wiki page for landuse=meadow and landuse=farmland, it seems like an odd situation.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The wiki says that landuse=farmland is used for
<i>all</i> agricultural areas in some regions, while in other regions landuse=farmland is only used for crops (not grazing areas).</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So it sounds like landuse=meadow would be better here, since pastoral leases are only used for grazing, not planting crops.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">However, it seems like landuse=farmland is the more common way of mapping farmland in NZ</p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]>Farmland is used 18,228 times <a href="https://taginfo.geofabrik.de/australia-oceania/new-zealand/tags/landuse=farmland#map" target="_blank">
https://taginfo.geofabrik.de/australia-oceania/new-zealand/tags/landuse=farmland#map</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]>Meadow is used 1,720 items <a href="https://taginfo.geofabrik.de/australia-oceania/new-zealand/tags/landuse=meadow#map" target="_blank">
https://taginfo.geofabrik.de/australia-oceania/new-zealand/tags/landuse=meadow#map</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I took a quick look on OSM at Te Anau, Napier, Auckland, Edgecumbe, and Christchurch where rural landuse is mapped, and it seems like landuse=farmland is used for any kind of farm,
including pastures used purely for grazing. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So I’m not sure if we should use landuse=meadow (which describes the land-use better) or landuse=farmland (which is currently the more common tag)...</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Kyle</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:
</b><a href="mailto:talk-nz@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">James Sullivan via Talk-nz</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Monday, 20 September 2021 13:49<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:talk-nz@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-nz@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Talk-nz] LINZ data import: South Island Pastoral Leases</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hey Kyle,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">That seems like a reasonable option to me. Looking at
<a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/farmland#values" target="_blank">
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/farmland#values</a> suggests little to no use of the farmland key. So I probably wouldn't bank on that being used by many.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I think the core tag is ref:linz:pastoral_lease_id. That will make it easy to query for and is somewhat descriptive.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Maybe a tag of landuse=meadow too?
<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow" target="_blank">
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow</a> makes it sound like pasture is included as part of meadow. Then using<i> "</i><span class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712font"><span style="font-family:Consolas"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:meadow" target="_blank" title="Key:meadow"><i>meadow</i></a><i>=</i><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:meadow%3Dpasture&action=edit&redlink=1" target="_blank" title="Tag:meadow=pasture (page does not exist)"><i>pasture</i></a></span></span><i>
a pasture for grazing livestock (not a hay meadow)." </i>to indicate its use as pasture.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Kind regards,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">James.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Mon, Sep 20, 2021, at 12:51, Kyle Hensel wrote:</p>
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<p class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712qt-msonormal1">Hi all,</p>
<p class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712qt-msonormal1"> </p>
<p class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712qt-msonormal1">Does anyone have suggestions on how to tag South Island Pastoral Leases?</p>
<p class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712qt-msonormal1">Background infomation:</p>
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<a href="https://www.linz.govt.nz/crown-property/crown-pastoral-land" target="_blank">https://www.linz.govt.nz/crown-property/crown-pastoral-land</a><o:p></o:p></li><li class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712qt-msolistparagraph1" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">
<a href="https://www.linz.govt.nz/crown-property/crown-pastoral-land/status-and-location-crown-pastoral-land" target="_blank">https://www.linz.govt.nz/crown-property/crown-pastoral-land/status-and-location-crown-pastoral-land</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712qt-msonormal1">I was thinking of mapping them as areas with:</p>
<p class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712qt-msonormal1" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712size"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas">landuse=farmland</span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712qt-msonormal1" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712size"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas">farmland=station</span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712qt-msonormal1" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712size"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas">place=farm</span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712qt-msonormal1" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712size"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas">name=*</span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712qt-msonormal1" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span class="gmail-m-4006680850074977712size"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas">ref:linz:pastoral_lease_id=*</span></span></p>
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