<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Hi,<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div id="yiv1951348649">But barangays are not exactly villages, which is unlike Philippine municipalities that are acknowledged equivalent to towns.<br><br></div></blockquote><div id="yiv1951348649">The Place= tag is used to denote the population size of a place, not whether a place is actually a city, town, village etc.<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;">So someone listing all the world's "villages" would get inaccurate data. Besides, I personally find very little use for a list of all the world's villages for whatever analysis that list would be needed for, unlike say, a list of all cities.<br></div>
<br>That was a "Hypothetical" example.<br><br>A non Hypothetical example (though not country specific) would be the change from highway=gate to barrier=gate. Previously navigation S/W only had to search for highway=gate to find roads to ignore. Now it has to search for both, twice as much work for the same result.<br><br>(Hmmm, maybe the "place=x" tags should also be accompanied with the "admin_level=n" tags especially if the place matches the admin_level? Seems like a good idea, don't you think?)<br><br>Now that gets a +1 from me :-)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Ian Haylock <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:haylocki@yahoo.co.uk">haylocki@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Sorry,<br><br>-1 from me.<br><br>I think using country specific tags like "barangay" will cause problems with people who use the data.<br><br>As a hypothetical example, suppose someone wanted to list all the villages in the osm database. If all the different countries used a different name for village, such a simple task would become a pain in the A**.<br>
<br>Cheers, Ian<br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 24/11/08, <span>maning</span> sambale <i><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">
From: maning sambale <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Various<br>To: "Eugene Alvin Villar" <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:seav80@gmail.com">seav80@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a><br>Date: Monday, 24 November, 2008, 8:58 AM<br><br><pre><div><div class="Wj3C7c">+1 for me. That would be fairly easy for me to<br> change the<br>place=village to place=barangay. But only for the ones I added. If<br>others would allow me to do so for them, I'll do it.<br><br>What about the others? Any opinion on this?<br><br>cheers,<br>maning<br><br><br>On 11/24/08, Eugene Alvin Villar <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:seav80@gmail.com">seav80@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Ok then. I'm all for tagging barangay center nodes with<br>place=barangay. We<br>> can just ask the renderers to place a special code to render<br><br>place=barangay<br>> same as place=village.<br>><br>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:29 PM, maning sambale<br>> <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br><br>><br>>> Hi,<br>>><br>>> I am sending a discussion we (me and IanHaylock) had before with Mike<br>>> Collinson (no talk-ph at that time) on tagging Barangays this in the<br>>> context of when we are planning to import the GNS data.<br><br>>><br>>> For your comments<br>>> =======<br>>> Thanks for all the<br> input. Here is a modified version of the script<br>>> with PPL mapping to village not town. As is, it also reads the entire<br>>> rp.txt file but only outputs DCG=ADM2 POIs. The resulting file, also<br>>> attached is exactly the same as the one you sent me but has an<br><br>>> addition 'is_in:state=' tag. I am very keen to get lots of<br>'is_in'<br>>> tags into the OSM database as it will make future searching much<br>>> easier. For example, if there is a critical
mass of entries for<br><br>>> Aurora Province spread across the province, it will be possible to<br>>> work out the approximate bounds of the province and limit searches<br>>> there. That removes the need to have exact boundary data.<br><br>>><br>>> Do upload it if you think it is ready.<br>>><br>>> On the issue of PPL = village or barangay or locality, these are my<br>>> thoughts.<br>>><br>>> I suggest<br> we definitely do not use 'locality', that is really<br>meant<br>>> for place names that do not coincide with any (current) population<br>>> centre.<br>>><br>>> place=village<br>>><br><br>>> Plus: Works worldwide. Minus: Not strictly valid in a Philippine<br>context.<br>>><br>>> place=barangay<br>>><br>>> We'd need to get the OSMarender and Mapnik guys to add a render<br><br>rule<br>>> for this. We could also ask for it to
be added as a Map Features<br>>> value, but that is not strictly necessary. I'd guess the easiest<br>>> request would be to say, "please render this exactly the same as<br><br>>> place=village"?<br>>><br>>><br>>> If I was explaining what Barangay means, does this sound right? :-<br>>><br>>> place=barangay is specifically for Philippine use, though may be<br><br>>> applicable in other parts of the world like South America. At<br> an<br>>> administrative level, a Province (= a state) is divided into<br>>> muncipalities. Each municipality is controlled by a local council and<br>>> has a mayor. A municipality is split into barangays[1], headed by<br><br>>> Barangay captains. In rural areas, these equate to villages. In urban<br>>> areas, these equate to suburbs often highly distinguishable on the<br>>> basis of social class. A rural muncipality, e.g. Donsol[2],
may<br><br>>> therefore have a town, Donsol, split into 3 or 4 barangays and then to<br>>> It is important to mark them on OSM maps because they are used<br>>> extensively in every day navigation, information, politics etc. They<br><br>>> almost invariable equate to an obvious population centre (unlike<br>>> European wards). Street signs often show which barangay they are in.<br>>> Jeepneys and buses often show a barangays as<br> destinations.<br>>><br>>> [1] <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barangay">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barangay</a><br>>> [2] <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donsol">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donsol</a><br><br>>> ==============<br>>><br>>><br>>> On 11/22/08, Eugene Alvin Villar <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:seav80@gmail.com">seav80@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>>> > Hi Zoren,<br>>> ><br><br>>> > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:12 PM, <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:sorabsuperstar@web.de">sorabsuperstar@web.de</a>><br>wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> >><br>>> >> > There's no discussion yet regarding barangays. I<br><br>prefer leaving out<br>>> >> > the "Barangay" part of the name (unless<br>it's numeric like "Barangay<br>>> >> > 30").<br>>> >><br>>> >> I was just about to send a second mail about that, as I<br><br>realized that<br>>> >> at<br>>> >> certain zoom levels you can hardly see the map anymore<br>because of all<br>>> the<br>>> >> Brgy. names, or hardly see certain Brgy<br> names because of the<br>other Brgy<br>>> >> names ;).<br>>> >> I guess the Brgy concept is a special Pinoy one. This is
why<br>the<br>>> renderes<br>>> >> are not designed for such a high density of area names<br><br>(especially with<br>>> >> regard to font sizes) . To ease this problem I highly<br>endorse Seav's<br>>> >> suggestion to omit redundant words "Barangay",<br>"Brgy."(anyway for being<br><br>>> an<br>>> >> abbreviation), "Village",<br>"Subdivision"etc...; unless it is really part<br>>> of<br>>> >> the name as in "Barangay 30".<br>>> >> We should even make this a general national convention for<br><br>OSM<br>>> >><br>>> ><br>>> > Regarding this, do not be too conscious of the rendering<br>problems. Try<br>>> not<br>>> > to "fix" the data just so it would render pretty. The<br><br>important thing<br> is<br>>> to<br>>> > do the data right and just leave the renderers (Mapnik,<br>Osmarender,<br>>> >
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