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I agree, it's the level in the hierarchy is confusing. In case of Davao City we have 3 districts that covers only Barangays (By the way, Davao City is not part of Davao del Sur as what others thought). In North Cotabato we have 4 districts with 18 municipalities. But classifying the different districts is doable.<br>
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murlwe<br>
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<-----Original Message-----> <br>
>From: maning sambale [emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com]<br>
>Sent: 4/30/2009 2:09:00 PM<br>
>To: seav80@gmail.com<br>
>Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org<br>
>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Revisiting the admin_level values forboundary=administrative<br>
><br>
>Eugene and all,<br>
><br>
>Are you proposing this scheme for admin_levels?<br>
><br>
>(first row is Eugene's proposal as I understand it)<br>
>2 --> 2 - National Border (this is a worldwide convention, so there will be no<br>
>3 --> 4 - Regions<br>
>4 --> 6 - Provinces<br>
>5 --> Districts?<br>
>6 --> 8 - Cities and municipalities<br>
>8 --> 9 - Barangays and Districts of Manila<br>
>10 --> Zones<br>
>12 --> all sitios/puroks can just simply be place=*)<br>
><br>
>The congressional district is very problematic in terms of level in<br>
>the hierarchy. Some congressional districts covers several<br>
>municipalities while others in my case, Marikina covers only<br>
>barangays.<br>
><br>
>I think the most critical that we agreed on is the level for barangay<br>
>and cities/municipalities. The other levels can be aggregated to the<br>
>above basic unit.<br>
><br>
>What do others think?<br>
><br>
><br>
>On 4/11/09, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
>> Hi<br>
>><br>
>> Right now, in the mapping conventions page (<br>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_conventions)<br>
>> we have the following:<br>
>><br>
>> 2 - National Border (this is a worldwide convention, so there will be no<br>
>> changing of this value's meaning)<br>
>> 4 - Regions<br>
>> 6 - Provinces<br>
>> 8 - Cities and municipalities<br>
>> 9 - Barangays and Districts of Manila<br>
>><br>
>> I'd like to re-open the discussion on a few points. It's better we put these<br>
>> things down pat before adding more barangay borders.<br>
>><br>
>> *I. Boundaries of Regions*<br>
>><br>
>> Is it useful to *explicitly* indicate the boundaries for regions? If not,<br>
>> then we can bump up the admin_level for provinces to 4. If anyone really<br>
>> wants the regional boundaries, then only a small amount of post-processing<br>
>> is needed given the provincial boundaries (well, except for that weird<br>
>> business with Isabela City and Cotabato City). As an alternative, since the<br>
>> sort-of convention in OSM is to use the even numbers primarily and reserve<br>
>> the odd numbers for special cases, then maybe we can have regions as<br>
>> admin_level=3 and provinces as admin_level=4. Caveat: while regions are<br>
>> generally just groupings of local government units, ARMM *does* have a<br>
>> regional government. (And Metro Manila, the region, is somewhat a federation<br>
>> under the MMDA.)<br>
>><br>
>> Here's how we can view regions: normal regions are simply groupings of<br>
>> provinces subject to the whim of the President (so that each executive<br>
>> department can have regional offices for better rendering and localization<br>
>> of services). ARMM is a *special* unique region having its own autonomous<br>
>> government and each city and municipality AFAIK can independently choose to<br>
>> be part of ARMM, not on a per province basis. This is why Isabela City is<br>
>> under Basilan, but outside ARMM, even though the rest of Basilan is in ARMM.<br>
>><br>
>> *II. Hierarchy of Administrative Units*<br>
>><br>
>> Here is the *administrative* (i.e., congressional/judicial/police/etc.<br>
>> districts are not included) hierarchy in the Philippines:<br>
>><br>
>> - Regions* (no government except for ARMM, and quasi-government for Metro<br>
>> Manila)<br>
>> - Provinces (has a government)<br>
>> - Cities / municipalities (has a government)<br>
>> - Districts** (no executive government; e.g., Malate in Manila and Jaro in<br>
>> Iloilo City, but not Cubao, a vaguely-defined district, in Quezon City)<br>
>> - Zones (no government; cities and municipalities with zones include Manila,<br>
>> Pasay, Caloocan; zones are just defined groupings of barangays for<br>
>> administrative convenience)<br>
>> - Barangays (has a government)<br>
>> - Sitios / puroks (no government; boundaries are not always defined so maybe<br>
>> all sitios/puroks can just simply be place=*)<br>
>><br>
>> ** Some districts might need to be delineated. For example, Quezon City is<br>
>> divided into 4 districts (numbered 1-4) and while these correspond 1-is-to-1<br>
>> with the congressional districts of Quezon City and would not normally fall<br>
>> under boundary=administrative (maybe, boundary=legislative/congressional?),<br>
>> each district has its own set of city councilors (which I think means that<br>
>> each district can have its own set of ordinances, though I'm not sure about<br>
>> the details). This makes these districts "administrative" in their own right<br>
>> and might merit their own boundary=administrative tagging.<br>
>><br>
>> Which of these do we include and at what values of admin_level?<br>
>><br>
>> *III. Highly-urbanized Cities and Independent Component Cities*<br>
>><br>
>> How do we handle the case of Highly-urbanized Cities and Independent<br>
>> Component Cities? boundary=administrative implies an administration<br>
>> delineation of sorts (e.g., the area delineated by the boundaries of Rizal<br>
>> province is under the jurisdiction of the Provincial Government of Rizal).<br>
>> HUCs and ICCs are administratively independent of their provinces (save from<br>
>> unusual exceptions depending on the City Charter, like Mandaue City<br>
>> residents being able to vote for Cebu Provincial positions despite being an<br>
>> HUC). For example, Cebu City is a HUC and so the Cebu Provincial Government<br>
>> has no legal say over the territory of Cebu CIty (except for the limited<br>
>> case of paying costs to Cebu City for "hosting" the Cebu Provincial<br>
>> Capitol). (This has resulted in a lot of legal battle between Cebu City and<br>
>> Cebu Province, like the dispute on who has jurisdiction over Osmena Circle<br>
>> in Cebu City.)<br>
>><br>
>> (See this Wikipedia article section regarding independent cities:<br>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities_of_the_Philippines#Independent_cities )<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Eugene / seav<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
>-- <br>
>cheers,<br>
>maning<br>
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