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<p class=MsoPlainText>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I have to add – have you seen the Boracay map?
While it looks fantastic that it is all mapped out, naming each resort/business
there has lead to a map that looks absolutely bloated and is unreadable at
times.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>For example <a
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org.ph/map/c/11.960549689657205/121.925368309021/17/">http://www.openstreetmap.org.ph/map/c/11.960549689657205/121.925368309021/17/</a>
- “Mango Ray Shenna’s Resort” – are those two places?
One? Which building is covered by their name? Multiple buildings or just one?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>A POI should be a notable location that a tourist may be
interested in – a statue, a building, even a public transit location. But
specific businesses (be it fast food joints or specific resorts) only create
clutter and a mess – which will only get worse as businesses are created
and others go out of business.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Having too much data (especially as part of the primary data
set) is contrary to the spirit of an open user-maintained map.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>-A<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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talk-ph-bounces@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-ph-bounces@openstreetmap.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Eugene Alvin Villar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> maning sambale<br>
<b>Cc:</b> OSM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the
City)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 10:18 PM, maning sambale <<a
href="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Just my take,<br>
1. If it's on the ground it should be mapped.<o:p></o:p></p>
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This is a good guideline in general but of course a line has to be drawn
somewhere (pun not intended). I don't think drawing the individual stripes of a
pedestrian walkway is productive even if it *is* on the ground. A map is
supposed to be a representation--not a facsimile of the real world. That's why
we represent roads in OSM using center lines and not (at the moment) as areas.<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2. If somebody bothered to map fishball vendors in
Luneta, nobody's<br>
stopping him.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <br>
Fishball vendors are probably not a good example for your point since they are
too ephemeral to be mapped. But anyway, OSM is a community project and we work
on consensus. While we do encourage people to map what they think are
important, I don't think we should just let people map things like
"Location of Mark and Jenny's first kiss", right?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>3 years ago (am I that old in OSM?), my only goal is to map
major<br>
highways around the metro, now it's there. But we want more. We've<br>
mapped footways, cycleways, I even saw driveways somewhere. If<br>
somebody sees the importance of a certain feature then by all means<br>
let them map it.<br>
<br>
If I can collect data for breeding sites of all the endangered bird<br>
species (and I think it is important) I will possibly map it here.<br>
<br>
I agree there should be some limits and priorities (at the moment) but<br>
I am hopeful we will get to a point where we will map individual<br>
houses with addresses<o:p></o:p></p>
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I disagree that the limits are there just for the moment. I think there should
be a limit imposed at all times (the limit can move over time, but there is
still a limit). For instance, Wikipedia has guidelines on what is NOT
acceptable (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT</a>)
eventhough the presence of those guidelines run counter to Wikipedia's lofty
aim to be the "sum of all human knowledge".<br>
<br>
I think individual features for detached residential houses are OK, but I
really don't think we need to place a point for every unit in high-rise
condominiums.<br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:20 PM,
Eugene Alvin Villar <<a href="mailto:seav80@gmail.com">seav80@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> It's tempting to mark out in OSM all of the Jollibee, McDonald's, and<br>
> Starbucks branches in the Philippines but I'm wondering if this is wise.
Do<br>
> we mark out every retail store, every bank branch, every Western<br>
> Union/FedEx/LBC outlet, and every company's office in OSM? My personal
take<br>
> is that we don't need to.<br>
><br>
> One big problem is multi-storey malls like SM Megamall that have hundreds
of<br>
> tenants. It'll be quite unwieldy to maintain and edit overlapping POIs in<br>
> such a small land area.<br>
><br>
> I feel that the level of detail we should attain is down to the building<br>
> level. If we know that there's a Jollibee in Megamall Building A, then it's<br>
> enough for us to map out where Building A is, but not where the Jollibee<br>
> there is exactly.<br>
><br>
> In the specific case of malls, exceptions will be added for anchor
tenants,<br>
> like in SM Megamall: the SM Department Store, ACE Hardware, SM
Supermarket,<br>
> SM Cinemas, the Megatrade Halls, etc. No need to mark out each and every<br>
> McDo, KFC, Jollibee, Bench, Penshoppe, Levi's, BPI, Chinabank, etc. in the<br>
> mall.<br>
><br>
> A comprehensive database of all retail addresses is better suited to<br>
> something like OpenYellowPages, not OpenStreetMap.<br>
><br>
> What do you guys think?<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:31 AM, maning sambale <<a
href="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> What I mean is address information (we've discussed it already, and<br>
>> agreed it is important, unless I'm mistaken) not specific business<br>
>> establishment (although it is attached to the address). We also
have<br>
>> numerous POIs added already.<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Ahmed Farooq <<a
href="mailto:ahmed@enthropia.com">ahmed@enthropia.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > I don’t think adding business data to OSM is a good idea -
that data<br>
>> > changes far too often and is far more complex in upkeep.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > -A<br>
>> ><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> <a href="http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com" target="_blank">http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com</a><br>
><br>
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cheers,<br>
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