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I think his apology was sincere, he wanted our help... lets help him get Bacolod in the map the right way. That's a common mistake of most OSM newbies, putting copyrighted material into OSM.<br>
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Best,<br>
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Marloue (murlwe)<br>
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<-----Original Message-----> <br>
>From: maning sambale [emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com]<br>
>Sent: 2/28/2010 12:36:08 PM<br>
>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org<br>
>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Bacolod<br>
><br>
>http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/goodbyebacolod:-(/diary/9683<br>
><br>
>On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 1:33 PM, maning sambale<br>
><emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
>> Here's the transcript of our conversation from first to last (while I<br>
>> was sending him messages he changed his user name fro mgarrucho -<br>
>> jrizal - rgarchitorena - jjocson - goodbyebacolod:-) )<br>
>><br>
>> ==============<br>
>> To jjocson<br>
>> Subject regarding your edits in Bacolod<br>
>> Date Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:30:53 +0000<br>
>><br>
>> jrizal,<br>
>><br>
>> Hi! I've seen your edits in Bacaolod and they are really great. I am<br>
>> happy to see that Openstreetmap Philippine data is expanding to the<br>
>> Negros Island. However, I noticed that your contributions have a<br>
>> striking similarity to GoogleMaps' data. See this and use the slider<br>
>> on the top-right:<br>
>> http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=13&lat=10.65976&lon=122.97031&layers=B00000TFFFFF<br>
>><br>
>> As far as I know the only gps tracks in Bacolod are the ones I<br>
>> uploaded months ago.<br>
>><br>
>> Apologies if this may seem "too accusing" but please explain the<br>
>> sources of your contributions.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks!<br>
>><br>
>> maning<br>
>><br>
>> =====================<br>
>><br>
>> You mean your the only one who has a gps in bacolod???? Anyways they<br>
>> are maps and for sure they would look similar right. I got it from<br>
>> NASA.<br>
>><br>
>> jrizal<br>
>><br>
>> =============<br>
>><br>
>> To jjocson<br>
>> Subject Re: regarding your edits in Bacolod<br>
>> Date Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:04:47 +0000<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Fri Feb 26 07:47:03 UTC 2010 rgarchitorena wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> You mean your the only one who has a gps in bacolod????<br>
>> No, what I mean here are the only gps traces uploaded in OSM I know<br>
>> are some of the traces I added (donated by other contributors).<br>
>><br>
>>>Anyways they are maps and for sure they would look similar right. I got<br>
>it from NASA.<br>
>><br>
>> Can you explain further what you mean by NASA? I use JOSM as an editor<br>
>> as well, it would be good if you can share what specific WMS or NASA<br>
>> imagery you used so that others can use it and improve the data.<br>
>><br>
>> Just in case you didn't know, we are not allowed to copy data from<br>
>> copyrighted materials (an example is GoogleMaps). Most of NASA's<br>
>> imagery are public domain, so if you are using NASA's data that is OK.<br>
>> But we need to explicitly provide citation/source of information.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks again!<br>
>><br>
>> ==========<br>
>> From jjocson<br>
>> Subject Re: regarding your edits in Bacolod<br>
>> Date Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:51:15 +0000<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Sorry but its personal if you want I can sell you the program....<br>
>> :-)or perhaps you can give me your details so I can visit you and give<br>
>> you some lessons.<br>
>><br>
>> =======<br>
>><br>
>> If the data source is "personal" = not available to the public = not<br>
>> suitable for OSM.<br>
>><br>
>> Unless the data provider which you say is "NASA" gave explicit<br>
>> permission to use the images for OSM, I don't think it is right to use<br>
>> it in OSM.<br>
>><br>
>> No offense my friend, but we want the OSM data to be clean as much as<br>
>> possible of copyright issues. If you want Bacolod to be in the OSm<br>
>> map. We can help you do it by gathering GPS tracks. We can lend you a<br>
>> GPS if you don't own one.<br>
>><br>
>> Keep on mapping.<br>
>><br>
>> ========<br>
>><br>
>> From jjocson<br>
>> Subject Re: regarding your edits in Bacolod<br>
>> Date Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:04:34 +0000<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> What a conclusion! Why sould I help you with what I'm doing if you got<br>
>> an attitude. And who the F are you anyway? THE OSM OWNER????<br>
>><br>
>> On Fri Feb 26 08:56:29 UTC 2010 maning wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> ========<br>
>><br>
>> And then I sent another reply which I wasn't able to sent because he changed<br>
>> his username while I was sending it to rgarchitorena.<br>
>><br>
>> ==========<br>
>> To jjocson<br>
>> Subject changing usernames in a day<br>
>> Date Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:34:53 +0000<br>
>><br>
>> You are a funny guy. You changed you usernames from mgarrucho to<br>
>> jrizal to rgarchitorena to jjocson.<br>
>><br>
>> I simply asked you to explain your source (which is very similar to<br>
>> Google's data). I simply followed OSM's guidelines here:<br>
>><br>
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FAQ#I_think_someone.27s_been_entering_copyrighted_data_-_how_do_we_deal_with_that.3F<br>
>><br>
>> For such cases. I have no resort but to report your edits to the OSM<br>
>> Foundation Board Members.<br>
>><br>
>> cheers,<br>
>><br>
>> maning<br>
>><br>
>> ============<br>
>><br>
>> From jjocson<br>
>> Subject Re: changing usernames in a day<br>
>> Date Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:44:17 +0000<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I dont care mate! do what you have to do.<br>
>><br>
>> ==============<br>
>><br>
>> And then he replied again with a new username<br>
>><br>
>> From goodbyebacolod:-)<br>
>> Subject Bacolod<br>
>> Date Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:55:55 +0000<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I think we got off with the wrong foot here. Yes your right its<br>
>> similar to google and in the wsm settings it says NASA and localhost<br>
>> 8998. Ive been using this for 3 to 4 days and think its fine since its<br>
>> in the editor. If thats something against ur organization then fine Im<br>
>> happy to stop it and do as your org says.<br>
>><br>
>> ============<br>
>><br>
>> My last answer.<br>
>><br>
>> No problem mate!<br>
>><br>
>> We want this map free of copyrighted material as much as possible.<br>
>> Apologies if you're pissed-off with my inquiry. I am requesting for a<br>
>> revert of your edits in Bacolod so please don't touch them for the<br>
>> moment.<br>
>><br>
>> If you own a GPS you can continue editing in any plave you like using<br>
>> your tracks and local knowledge as reference.<br>
>><br>
>> I'll look into the wms you mentioned.<br>
>><br>
>> ================<br>
>><br>
>> I propose we report this to the OSMF board and request a revert of all<br>
>> his edits in Bacolod, including mine because I corrected several<br>
>> overlapping ways. Please don't manually remove them for now. A full<br>
>> revert process can do this by the OSM sysads.<br>
>><br>
>> Finally, a note to those who keeps on changing usernames in order to<br>
>> "hide" your OSM editing history. It doesn't work. OSM has an<br>
>> internal numeric userid of your account. It doesn't change even if<br>
>> you changed your username.<br>
>><br>
>> For reference, the Bacolod editor's uid="235287"<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> cheers,<br>
>> maning<br>
>> ------------------------------------------------------<br>
>> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden<br>
>> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/<br>
>> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/<br>
>> ------------------------------------------------------<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>-- <br>
>cheers,<br>
>maning<br>
>------------------------------------------------------<br>
>"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden<br>
>wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/<br>
>blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/<br>
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