<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">My opinion that we need to check by our own local maps and some data are duplicated too. I tried it here sa aming LGU, merong mga inconsistency eg, spelling, coordinates and duplication. But it helps kasi me mga label ka na sa map.<div><br></div><div>Is GNS-NGA is open source?</div><div><br></div><div>thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>noel<br><br><font face="verdana"><em>Noel S. Mondragon</em></font><br><font size="1"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="verdana, helvetica, sans-serif">Staff <br>Information Office </font></font><div><font size="1"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="verdana, helvetica, sans-serif">(034) 312 52 05<br>San Carlos City Hall <br>FC Ledesma Avenue <br>San Carlos City 6127 <br>Negros Occidental Province</font></font></div><br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 9/21/10, talk-ph-request@openstreetmap.org
<i><talk-ph-request@openstreetmap.org></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: talk-ph-request@openstreetmap.org <talk-ph-request@openstreetmap.org><br>Subject: talk-ph Digest, Vol 26, Issue 18<br>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org<br>Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 10:56 PM<br><br><div class="plainMail">Send talk-ph mailing list submissions to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org" href="/mc/compose?to=talk-ph@openstreetmap.org">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:talk-ph-request@openstreetmap.org"
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(was: can<br> you help me with this one?) (tutubi)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:40:52 +0800<br>From: Eugene Alvin Villar <<a ymailto="mailto:seav80@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=seav80@gmail.com">seav80@gmail.com</a>><br>To: maning sambale <<a ymailto="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: osm-ph <<a ymailto="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org" href="/mc/compose?to=talk-ph@openstreetmap.org">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Some towns of Laguna a bit far from reality?<br> (was: can you help me with this one?)<br>Message-ID:<br> <AANLkTikwn+<a ymailto="mailto:AxjgVbQYfVZRzTmVTocLdfGDAvbHjN1HqW@mail.gmail.com"
href="/mc/compose?to=AxjgVbQYfVZRzTmVTocLdfGDAvbHjN1HqW@mail.gmail.com">AxjgVbQYfVZRzTmVTocLdfGDAvbHjN1HqW@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>BSWM data is sometimes quite wrong. I had to delete some of those roads that<br>clashed horribly with the traces we collected for GMA, Cavite.<br><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5761934" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5761934</a><br><br><br>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:44 PM, maning sambale<br><<a ymailto="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br><br>> Hi,<br>><br>> Tutubi asked to look at his traces in Laguna. Looking at his trace<br>> and the existing data. I am perplexed at the significant mismatch:<br>><br>> <a
href="http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17&lat=14.4219&lon=121.44588&layers=00B000TFFFFFFF" target="_blank">http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17&lat=14.4219&lon=121.44588&layers=00B000TFFFFFFF</a><br>><br>> Pakil has some issues as well.<br>><br>> <a href="http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17&lat=14.38564&lon=121.47735&layers=00B000TFFFFFFF" target="_blank">http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17&lat=14.38564&lon=121.47735&layers=00B000TFFFFFFF</a><br>><br>> I'm guessing this an artifact of the old BSWM data import. Or<br>> probably similar to Magallanes situation?<br>><br>> Forwarded conversation<br>> Subject: can you help me with this one?<br>> ------------------------<br>><br>> From: tutubi <<a ymailto="mailto:tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com" href="/mc/compose?to=tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com">tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com</a>><br>> Date: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at
11:59 AM<br>> To: maning sambale <<a ymailto="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>><br>><br>><br>> <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/backpacking%20philippines/traces/823535" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/backpacking%20philippines/traces/823535</a><br>><br>> it's a trace i did in siniloan, laguna from sta cruz. note the<br>> mis-alligned roads, same ones i got from Pakil that i re-traced so<br>> it's ok now.<br>><br>> there are some roads in my trace that i passed by twice...looked like<br>> the traces were just converted to ways thus the jagged roads<br>><br>> thanks<br>><br>> --<br>> ---<br>> I explore, therefore I blog.<br>><br>> <a href="http://www.backpackingphilippines.com" target="_blank">http://www.backpackingphilippines.com</a><br>><br>> ----------<br>> From: maning
sambale <<a ymailto="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>><br>> Date: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:05 PM<br>> To: tutubi <<a ymailto="mailto:tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com" href="/mc/compose?to=tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com">tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com</a>><br>><br>><br>> OK. I'll look into it later. Paki-alamanan ko na ha. :)<br>> --<br>> cheers,<br>> maning<br>> ------------------------------------------------------<br>> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden<br>> wiki: <a href="http://esambale.wikispaces.com/" target="_blank">http://esambale.wikispaces.com/</a><br>> blog: <a href="http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/</a><br>> ------------------------------------------------------<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> cheers,<br>>
maning<br>> ------------------------------------------------------<br>> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden<br>> wiki: <a href="http://esambale.wikispaces.com/" target="_blank">http://esambale.wikispaces.com/</a><br>> blog: <a href="http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/</a><br>> ------------------------------------------------------<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> talk-ph mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org" href="/mc/compose?to=talk-ph@openstreetmap.org">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph</a><br>><br><br><br><br>-- <br><a href="http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com" target="_blank">http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com</a><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was
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ymailto="mailto:O8-9a@mail.gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=O8-9a@mail.gmail.com">O8-9a@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>This is a pretty tough issue. Imports are contentious in some sectors of the<br>international OSM community. But for the Philippines where we don't have<br>much data to import anyway, the question boils down to whether we prefer no<br>data at all over poor data.<br><br>GNS in particular seems to be problematic with entities below the municipal<br>level as demonstrated by Ax.<br><br>I think that we should hold off on importing them for now. Maybe in the<br>future that data will be improved. In the meantime, there are tons of things<br>we can do to improve the existing data. Keep right and OpenStreetBugs<br>provide tons of data problems alone, and there are some residual sawtooth<br>coastlines remaining.<br><br>I know data maintenance and improvement is not as fun as importing virgin<br>data
but my personal opinion is that we should try fixing the existing data<br>first before adding more data that themselves needs fixing too.<br><br>What do others think?<br><br><br>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Anthony G. Balico <<a ymailto="mailto:anthony.balico@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=anthony.balico@gmail.com">anthony.balico@gmail.com</a><br>> wrote:<br><br>> Hi Guys,<br>><br>> Axk and I had a bit of a discussion on GNS. Your thoughts please?<br>><br>> I find the thread below so cluttered, im sure you'll also find it the<br>> same way. Sorry about that.<br>><br>> I just thought i should include my first reply so you would know the<br>> start. This is how it goes:<br>><br>><br>[conversation snipped]<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a
href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/attachments/20100922/a00a4b4b/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/attachments/20100922/a00a4b4b/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:32:57 +0800<br>From: "Anthony G. Balico" <<a ymailto="mailto:anthony.balico@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=anthony.balico@gmail.com">anthony.balico@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Eugene Alvin Villar <<a ymailto="mailto:seav80@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=seav80@gmail.com">seav80@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org" href="/mc/compose?to=talk-ph@openstreetmap.org">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] NGA-GNS uploads<br>Message-ID: <1285122777.1807.7.camel@anthonybalico-laptop><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Since you've mentioned the tendency to be contentious,
hopefully this<br>one won't go overboard :-)<br><br>So that +1 to "No imports for now".<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Eugene Alvin Villar <<a ymailto="mailto:seav80@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=seav80@gmail.com">seav80@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Anthony G. Balico <<a ymailto="mailto:anthony.balico@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=anthony.balico@gmail.com">anthony.balico@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org" href="/mc/compose?to=talk-ph@openstreetmap.org">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] [Fwd: [Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] Re: Re: Re: NGA-GNS<br>uploads]]<br>Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:14:06 +0800<br><br>This is a pretty tough issue. Imports are contentious in some sectors of<br>the international OSM community. But for the Philippines where we don't<br>have much data to import anyway, the question boils down to whether we<br>prefer no data at all over poor data.<br><br>GNS in particular
seems to be problematic with entities below the<br>municipal level as demonstrated by Ax.<br><br>I think that we should hold off on importing them for now. Maybe in the<br>future that data will be improved. In the meantime, there are tons of<br>things we can do to improve the existing data. Keep right and<br>OpenStreetBugs provide tons of data problems alone, and there are some<br>residual sawtooth coastlines remaining.<br><br>I know data maintenance and improvement is not as fun as importing<br>virgin data but my personal opinion is that we should try fixing the<br>existing data first before adding more data that themselves needs<br>fixing too.<br><br>What do others think?<br><br><br>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Anthony G. Balico<br><<a ymailto="mailto:anthony.balico@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=anthony.balico@gmail.com">anthony.balico@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br> Hi Guys,<br>
<br> Axk and I had a bit of a discussion on GNS. Your thoughts<br> please?<br> <br> I find the thread below so cluttered, im sure you'll also find<br> it the<br> same way. Sorry about that.<br> <br> I just thought i should include my first reply so you would know<br> the<br> start. This is how it goes:<br> <br> <br><br>[conversation snipped]<br><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/attachments/20100922/da1d398c/attachment-0001.html"
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22, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Balico<br><<a ymailto="mailto:anthony.balico@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=anthony.balico@gmail.com">anthony.balico@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> So that +1 to "No imports for now".<br>By this statement, I assume you are referring to the GNS data.<br><br>In some cases, imports can be very useful.<br><br>After importing several data into OSM, I am now more on the "no<br>imports" camp too. However, I'd rather initiate meetings with the<br>Marikina government to arrange imports of housenumbers than collecting<br>them all by myself.<br><br>-- <br>cheers,<br>maning<br>------------------------------------------------------<br>"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden<br>wiki: <a href="http://esambale.wikispaces.com/" target="_blank">http://esambale.wikispaces.com/</a><br>blog: <a href="http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/"
target="_blank">http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/</a><br>------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:56:20 +0800<br>From: tutubi <<a ymailto="mailto:tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com" href="/mc/compose?to=tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com">tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com</a>><br>To: Eugene Alvin Villar <<a ymailto="mailto:seav80@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=seav80@gmail.com">seav80@gmail.com</a>>, osm-ph<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org" href="/mc/compose?to=talk-ph@openstreetmap.org">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Some towns of Laguna a bit far from reality?<br> (was: can you help me with this one?)<br>Message-ID:<br> <AANLkTikWb6DbduRDpfOoip7LCfZh1v=<a ymailto="mailto:EG1Sk_u6_X_dt@mail.gmail.com"
href="/mc/compose?to=EG1Sk_u6_X_dt@mail.gmail.com">EG1Sk_u6_X_dt@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>I already made re-alignments since i'm familiar with the road network<br>and also deleted spurious roads or added FIXMEs. I just have to<br>re-trace when I come home next month or during the long break in<br>December.<br><br>at least I won't find myself driving "off-road" again when i'm "lost"<br>in that part of the world<br><br>might also drop by and explore Sta. Maria. I went there years ago to<br>look for the old church only to be disappointed by a new one.<br>(Internet's really full of misinformation). I hope to trek to the<br>waterfalls if I can sneak from wifey who's quick to warn me not to be<br>so adventurous hehe<br><br>-- <br>---<br>I explore, therefore I blog and map.<br><br><a href="http://www.backpackingphilippines.com" target="_blank">http://www.backpackingphilippines.com</a><br><br><br>On 9/21/10,
Eugene Alvin Villar <<a ymailto="mailto:seav80@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=seav80@gmail.com">seav80@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> BSWM data is sometimes quite wrong. I had to delete some of those roads that<br>> clashed horribly with the traces we collected for GMA, Cavite.<br>> <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5761934" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5761934</a><br>><br>><br>> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:44 PM, maning sambale<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>><br>>> Hi,<br>>><br>>> Tutubi asked to look at his traces in Laguna. Looking at his trace<br>>> and the existing data. I am perplexed at the significant mismatch:<br>>><br>>> <a
href="http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17&lat=14.4219&lon=121.44588&layers=00B000TFFFFFFF" target="_blank">http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17&lat=14.4219&lon=121.44588&layers=00B000TFFFFFFF</a><br>>><br>>> Pakil has some issues as well.<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17&lat=14.38564&lon=121.47735&layers=00B000TFFFFFFF" target="_blank">http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17&lat=14.38564&lon=121.47735&layers=00B000TFFFFFFF</a><br>>><br>>> I'm guessing this an artifact of the old BSWM data import. Or<br>>> probably similar to Magallanes situation?<br>>><br>>> Forwarded conversation<br>>> Subject: can you help me with this one?<br>>> ------------------------<br>>><br>>> From: tutubi <<a ymailto="mailto:tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com"
href="/mc/compose?to=tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com">tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com</a>><br>>> Date: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:59 AM<br>>> To: maning sambale <<a ymailto="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>><br>>><br>>><br>>> <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/backpacking%20philippines/traces/823535" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/backpacking%20philippines/traces/823535</a><br>>><br>>> it's a trace i did in siniloan, laguna from sta cruz. note the<br>>> mis-alligned roads, same ones i got from Pakil that i re-traced so<br>>> it's ok now.<br>>><br>>> there are some roads in my trace that i passed by twice...looked like<br>>> the traces were just converted to ways thus the jagged roads<br>>><br>>> thanks<br>>><br>>> --<br>>>
---<br>>> I explore, therefore I blog.<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://www.backpackingphilippines.com" target="_blank">http://www.backpackingphilippines.com</a><br>>><br>>> ----------<br>>> From: maning sambale <<a ymailto="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>><br>>> Date: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:05 PM<br>>> To: tutubi <<a ymailto="mailto:tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com" href="/mc/compose?to=tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com">tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com</a>><br>>><br>>><br>>> OK. I'll look into it later. Paki-alamanan ko na ha. :)<br>>> --<br>>> cheers,<br>>> maning<br>>> ------------------------------------------------------<br>>> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden<br>>> wiki: <a href="http://esambale.wikispaces.com/"
target="_blank">http://esambale.wikispaces.com/</a><br>>> blog: <a href="http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/</a><br>>> ------------------------------------------------------<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> --<br>>> cheers,<br>>> maning<br>>> ------------------------------------------------------<br>>> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden<br>>> wiki: <a href="http://esambale.wikispaces.com/" target="_blank">http://esambale.wikispaces.com/</a><br>>> blog: <a href="http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/</a><br>>> ------------------------------------------------------<br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> talk-ph mailing list<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org"
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