Yup, both offmap 2 and the original offmap uses OSM and Cloudmade (w/c is also OSM-based) tiles<span></span><br><br>On Sunday, September 16, 2012, samuel cruz wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif"><div><span>hi,</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:'bookman old style','new york',times,serif">
<span><br></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:'bookman old style','new york',times,serif"><span>i just learned from a friend that ipad has an application, the offmap 2 that uses odm map for philippines. not sure about this but maybe someone can confirm this.</span></div>
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<span>sam</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:'bookman old style','new york',times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div style="font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif;font-size:12pt">
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than "Re: Contents of talk-ph digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: SOTM 2012 feedback (Eugene Alvin Villar)<br>
2. Re: iOS 6 using osm and tomtom? (maning sambale)<br> 3. Re: SOTM 2012 feedback (maning sambale)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:16:41 +0800<br>
From: Eugene Alvin Villar <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'seav80@gmail.com');" target="_blank">seav80@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Michael Collinson <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'mike@ayeltd.biz');" target="_blank">mike@ayeltd.biz</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'talk-ph@openstreetmap.org');" target="_blank">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] SOTM 2012 feedback<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAPhqi6JhG7UOKev=OgrJ18HGMO9t03+<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'DOvqGSD37WLcZz-VBEA@mail.gmail.com');" target="_blank">DOvqGSD37WLcZz-VBEA@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>Hi Mike,<br><br>On Sat, Sep 15,
2012 at 5:38 PM, Michael Collinson <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'mike@ayeltd.biz');" target="_blank">mike@ayeltd.biz</a>> wrote:<br>> 1) Reducing latency for general mapping for as many Filipinos as possible.<br>
><br>> It looks as though all Philippine mapper's traffic would get routed through<br>> a network in or around Metro Manila no matter what. Therefore from a<br>> latency point of view alone, and assuming PLDT routing, um, peculiarities,<br>
> could be resolved then Manila would be the best place to put a server. A<br>> close second would be Hong Kong ... and might be better as per Eugene's<br>> point.<br><br>This reason suggests that latency is a big problem for editors in the<br>
Philippines. I daresay that latency is not that big a problem when<br>compared to the broadband average speed of household connections in<br>the country. Most households, when they have broadband connections at<br>all, have an average
maximum speed of around 1 Mbps. Actual speeds are<br>much less than that.<br><br>I did a ping to the OSM server from my home and I get around 400ms in<br>terms of latency. But when you're editing in JOSM and downloading<br>
plenty of data, and especially if you also download GPS points too,<br>the download and upload of data takes several seconds. And once the<br>data is downloaded, JOSM will spend some time to parse the OSM XML<br>data and to process it for editing, and this depends on the speed of<br>
one's computer. Given that kind of editing situation, latency is a<br>small problem and might not be a best target for improvement. (See<br>Amdahl's Law[1].)<br><br>On the other hand, setting up a server in HK would also serve many<br>
Asian OSM communities like Japan and Indonesia. While this does not<br>specifically target the OSMPH community, and might not foster a<br>technical community, serving the Asian OSM communities might be a<br>better reason for
the investment than simply trying to solve network<br>latency problems.<br><br>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law</a><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br>
<br>Message: 2<br>Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:43:26 +0800<br>From: maning sambale <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com');" target="_blank">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: tutubi <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com');" target="_blank">tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'talk-ph@openstreetmap.org');" target="_blank">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a>" <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'talk-ph@openstreetmap.org');" target="_blank">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] iOS 6 using osm and tomtom?<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAPzumuE3u0K5-80gyxjrNiiXeSvdoHZnv5ue8e0+<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'oVdgubZ5UA@mail.gmail.com');" target="_blank">oVdgubZ5UA@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>I also recommend osmand for android it supports:<br><br>- offline map and routing<br>- voice activated routing<br>- gps log record and direct upload to osm<br>- point edits to osm<br>
<br>Maning Sambale (mobile)<br>On Sep 15, 2012 1:42 PM, "tutubi" <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com');" target="_blank">tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>><br>> hi!<br>><br>> On Sep 15, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Jim Morgan <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jim@datalude.com');" target="_blank">jim@datalude.com</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > Did we have this conversation before?<br>
><br>> oh yes, sort of, but what was discussed even a few days ago is obsolete<br>> now. cant cope up.<br>><br>> tried a few
apps eg myTracks et al but im too lazy to download the gpx<br>> tracks<br>><br>> > :-) This is all available on Android, although not in the same app as<br>> far as I can find out. You can get a nice cheap Android for about 9k these<br>
> days (the Huawei G300 is getting good reviews), or 4k if you really push it<br>> (Cherry Mobile). I use Trekbuddy for OSM data with offline maps and 1s<br>> logging. You can run a different app for routing. At the same time if you<br>
> want<br>> an android is a long time want. only reconsidering it since i've lost my<br>> garmin. will try the cherry mobile. i want one with a tv if there's one and<br>> it wont hurt much if i lose it :)<br>
><br>><br>> ><br>> > Anyway, I don't see any reason to drop 40k on the latest Apple. Paying<br>> more for a phone than a computer has always seemed a little obscene to me.<br>> ><br>> ><br>
><br>> i got an iPhone
4s as a gift, didnt buy it :) no plan to upgrade, i'm a<br>> peso-pincher i only need a handy camera. it will be with me til it conks<br>> out or lose it<br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>
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maning sambale <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com');" target="_blank">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Michael Collinson <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'mike@ayeltd.biz');" target="_blank">mike@ayeltd.biz</a>><br>
Cc: osm-ph <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'talk-ph@openstreetmap.org');" target="_blank">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] SOTM 2012 feedback<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAPzumuEO28AiYUrj=<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'xHLyJqU5doEwd_dXxzFVbSQg6-45pNMAQ@mail.gmail.com');" target="_blank">xHLyJqU5doEwd_dXxzFVbSQg6-45pNMAQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>If data editing latency is not a big problem, perhaps we can use a high<br>capacity server for other things.<br><br>>From a data consumer POV, maybe we can:<br>
- create a map style that incorporate PH specific tags that
are not shown<br>in the default osm map (osm-jp's case);<br>- provide province/municipal extracts in various format like shapefile that<br>also include ph specific tags (not entirely sure, but I think HOT in<br>Indonesia did it);<br>
- reliable gps map download;<br>- imagery server (we currently access some imagery from jgc also of osm-fr);<br>- sandbox server for many ideas discussed here.<br><br>@mike, do you think this is something osm-fr can support?<br>
<br>Maning Sambale (mobile)<br>On Sep 14, 2012 11:24 PM, "Michael Collinson" <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'mike@ayeltd.biz');" target="_blank">mike@ayeltd.biz</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Hallo Maning and all and to Mario Baras who was at SOTM 2012 and is on<br>
> this list.<br>><br>> I see from Maning's post to the general talk list that he is already<br>> familar with the French <a href="http://live.openstreetmap.fr/" target="_blank">http://live.openstreetmap.fr/</a>. Now here is
an<br>> interesting thing. OSM France have also built and are operating a caching<br>> download/proxy upload server for editing. It down loads diffs every<br>> minute. JOSM users can re-direct their editors to use it instead of the<br>
> London server. There is also a way to trick Potlatch into using it. For<br>> French and many European users it provides much better response. When you<br>> upload, then it sends your edit to London. It has been running for 6 months<br>
> and appears to work correctly.<br>><br>> And then another thing: OpenStreetMap France also have funding to do<br>> things. But they cannot spend it in France. Dot, dot, dot.<br>><br>> So I asked Christian Quest, "If there was interest, could they fund a<br>
> similar server in the Philippines?" and got a very positive response with<br>> the caveat that a proposal has to be presented to the funding organisation<br>> and
they can say yes or no. The proposal could consist of a) server(s), b)<br>> travel by OpenStreetMap France to the Philippines to train (perhaps not<br>> vital but good to create a working relationship) and c) funding to put it<br>
> in a high availability data centre.<br>><br>> So, any interest?<br>><br>> In addition to helping poor connections (comments?), I see it as a way to<br>> build up a strong system administration team to complement the mapping<br>
> community. The Philippine and Japan communities are probably the strongest<br>> in Asia right now. I would also suggest that it could be used as a H.O.T<br>> server to be used in natural calamities if anyone is interested in getting<br>
> involved there ... that might also improve the chances of funding.<br>><br>> Mike<br>><br>> ______________________________**_________________<br>> talk-ph mailing list<br>> <a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'talk-ph@openstreetmap.org');" target="_blank">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
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