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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=FR-CH link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Eugene,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for your new email and feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This allows me to introduce one think we explained to Maning when we meet last time and which I should also have introduced in this exchange of emails.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The location of health facilities is part of a large project aiming at improving information management within the DOH in general and the way geographic information is handled in particular. As such, we are working on defining the guidelines and standards to be used by the DOH in the future. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>One of these standards concerns the collection of GPS points by DOH staff and the form I shared with you is one expression of it. Collecting 5 decimals reading is therefore part of this “Golden standard”. We need this for particular context including emergency response.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This being said, we are conscious that getting there will take some time and that, if we were to apply this standard to the current dataset, only few points would comply.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is why we came up with some Health Facility location quality label based on the following 7 criteria:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Source of the lat/long is known? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Lat/long collected with a GPS device? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Number of satellite signal equal or bigger than 4? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Accuracy reading below 15 meters? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>5 digits after the decimal point? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>6.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Waypoint known?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>7.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Point falls within the municipality (min/max lat/long for the municipality)? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If the answer to all the 7 criteria is yes you obtain a quality 7 point which would be the standard we are aiming for the DOH on the long term. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Points which would present 4 digits would therefore also be taken into account but have a lower quality label. They would definitively be included in the dataset until they could get replace by a higher quality level point. I hope this answers your question and address the issue. Please don’t hesitate to let me know if this is not the case.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks then also for your feedback regarding Bing Map. This is great news and I therefore thank you in advance for your suggestions on how to include this option into the form as well as the process (and settings) to be followed in order to obtain a good quality ready with this platform.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best regards, Steeve<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'>Steeve Ebener, Ph.D.</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <br></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'>CEO Gaia GeoSystems<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'>P.O. Box 795 – P.C. 114, Muscat - Oman<br>cell: +968 952 57 526<br>email: </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:steeve.ebener@gaia-geosystems.org"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>steeve.ebener@gaia-geosystems.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'>web: </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.gaia-geosystems.org/"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.gaia-geosystems.org</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Twitter: @GaiaGeosystems<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>LinkedIn: </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/steeveebener"><span lang=DE-CH>http://www.linkedin.com/in/steeveebener</span></a></span><span lang=DE-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=88 height=76 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image003.jpg@01CE0699.FBB06F10" alt="logo_emails_72"></span><b><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>One Planet, One System<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green'>P</span></b><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span></b><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:green'>Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Thank you</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Eugene Alvin Villar [mailto:seav80@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> vendredi 8 février 2013 21:09<br><b>To:</b> Steeve Ebener<br><b>Cc:</b> osm-ph; Mark Anthonie Bello; gerald aguinaldo<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-ph] Possible collaboration with OSM and DOH to locate health facilities<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Steeve,<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Steeve Ebener <<a href="mailto:steeve.ebener@gaia-geosystems.org" target="_blank">steeve.ebener@gaia-geosystems.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Eugene,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you very much for your very good feedback.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>First of all, I just realized that attachments were not kept in the discussion list. I have therefore posted here the proposed form for data collection: </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.gaia-geosystems.org/PROJECTS/PHL/HF_fields_for_OSM_040213.doc" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>http://www.gaia-geosystems.org/PROJECTS/PHL/HF_fields_for_OSM_040213.doc</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Now coming back to your feedback:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>1.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Device used for location health facilities: Any device would be fine as long as they allow to capture all the associated information reported in the form (nbr of sat signal, horizontal accuracy, 5 decimals).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hmmm. 5 decimal places leads to a precision of about 1 meter. Most consumer-grade GPS devices don't have that precision. <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>2.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Use of Bing Map: Did you ever do an assessment of the horizontal accuracy of the images you can access through this platform? If yes, what is the maximum horizontal error you have encountered over the Philippines? If not, I would be interested in discussing a way to estimate this accuracy before these images are being used for collecting points. What about the availability of high resolution images in Bing map? Would you consider it has being equal or better than in Google Earth?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Actually, the aerial imagery found in Bing Maps has the same quality characteristics as that of Google Maps. As you may know, satellite imagery coverage, whether it comes from Google or Bing, is a patchwork of individual satellite images obtained from various satellite companies like DigitalGlobe and GeoEye. Sometimes the position is spot on, sometimes not and it may be off by around 5 meters or more.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>In some places, Google has higher resolution than Bing. In other places, it's the other way around. Sometimes Google has newer imagery, and in some places, Bing has newer imagery. In some places, Google has imagery where Bing has none and in other places, it's the other way around.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hmmm... now that I think about it, why do you even need an accuracy of 1 meter? Even 10 meters (4 decimal places) is good enough especially for hospitals and big clinics that are bigger than 10x10 meters.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I know that it would be good to be as accurate as possible, but if you end up rejecting perfectly valid data especially in remote areas of the country just because a clinic is not located down to the meter, then the effort might be a waste. We don't need to have almost-perfect data on the first try. Even just "good enough" would be OK for most applications I can think of.<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>3.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Copyright: thanks for pointing us to the Intellectual property code of the Philippines. I I downloaded it from here <a href="http://www.aijc.com.ph/PCCF/observatory/pfd%20files/policies/IPR/ipr.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.aijc.com.ph/PCCF/observatory/pfd%20files/policies/IPR/ipr.pdf</a> but could not find the sentence you are referring to. Could you please tell me in which section of the document it is mentioned? Maybe that the above link does not point to the complete document.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The PDF you downloaded is just Part I of the law. You can find a copy of the complete law here: <a href="http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra1997/ra_8293_1997.html">http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra1997/ra_8293_1997.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Please refer to Section 176.<br><br>Eugene<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks once more for your inputs and in advance for your answer on the above.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best regards, Steeve</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'>Steeve Ebener, Ph.D.</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <br></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'>CEO Gaia GeoSystems</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'>P.O. Box 795 – P.C. 114, Muscat - Oman<br>cell: <a href="tel:%2B968%20952%2057%20526" target="_blank">+968 952 57 526</a><br>email: </span><a href="mailto:steeve.ebener@gaia-geosystems.org" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>steeve.ebener@gaia-geosystems.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'>web: </span><a href="http://www.gaia-geosystems.org/" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>www.gaia-geosystems.org</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Twitter: @GaiaGeosystems</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>LinkedIn: </span><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/steeveebener" target="_blank"><span lang=DE-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://www.linkedin.com/in/steeveebener</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Eugene Alvin Villar [<a href="mailto:seav80@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:seav80@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> lundi 4 février 2013 20:04<br><b>To:</b> Steeve Ebener<br><b>Cc:</b> osm-ph; Mark Anthonie Bello; gerald aguinaldo<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-ph] Possible collaboration with OSM and DOH to locate health facilities</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>Hi Steeve,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>We have some interesting issues here...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Steeve Ebener <</span><a href="mailto:steeve.ebener@gaia-geosystems.org" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>steeve.ebener@gaia-geosystems.org</span></a><span lang=EN-US>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Dear Maning,<br><br>Thank you very much for your email to the group and all the great work you guys are doing.<br><br>Few complement of information from our side:<br>- we need to standardize the way location are collected either using GPS devices or Google Earth/map. The attached form is therefore proposed for your review/feedback/comments.<br>- In order to avoid duplication of work, the DOH would provide OSM with the list of facilities (including DOH codes) for which a coordinate is missing</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>If OSM contributors will help locating health facilities by adding data to the OSM database, then our source will either be any of the following:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>1. GPS device (standalone like Garmin or TomTom, or a mobile app like on Android or iOS)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>2. By locating on Bing Maps. We cannot use Google Maps or Google Earth to add data to the OSM database, but we have permission from Microsoft to use Bing Maps aerial imagery to add data ONLY to the OSM database. Other people are free to obtain the same data but via OSM's database license.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>3. By extrapolating from the existing OSM data. For example, given an address of a facility, it may be possible to locate the facility just by interpreting the address.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(204,204,204)'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>- Regarding the data sharing issue. It is now clear that we will have to keep OSM and DOH geo-location DB separated which means that:<br> - it will unfortunately not be possible to integrate DOH points in OSM data</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>This I find interesting. According to the Intellectual property code of the Philippines (R.A. 8293), "No copyright shall subsist in any work of the Government of the Philippines." If the DOH data has been collected by DOH employees in the course of their official duties, then there is no copyright. The non-profit clause has been argued to be a separate right from copyright.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>If that is the case, then it *may be* should be possible to include the pure DOH data into OSM.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(204,204,204)'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> - OSM collected points will be integrated into DOH DB with a clear mention of the source. I of course can't promise this will happen for sure, but I will personally work on getting an official acknowledgement from the DOH regarding OSM contribution to this work. In addition to that, the first discussion I had seems to indicate that it will be possible for OSM to mention their contribution to filling the gaps in DOH's DB. Please bare with me on this as there is still some way to go but I will keep pushing.</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Have you read the ODbL, which is the open license under which OSM data is licensed? Certainly, attribution to the OSM contributors is required, but the share-alike property also needs to be followed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>Regards,<br>Eugene</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(204,204,204)'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Looking forward hearing from the group on your email and the above (I have registered to the mailing list) and the possibility to work together on this.<br><br>Best regards, Steeve<br><br>Steeve Ebener, Ph.D.<br>CEO Gaia GeoSystems<br>P.O. Box 795 – P.C. 114, Muscat - Oman<br>cell: </span><a href="tel:%2B968%20952%2057%20526" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>+968 952 57 526</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br>email: </span><a href="mailto:steeve.ebener@gaia-geosystems.org" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>steeve.ebener@gaia-geosystems.org</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br>web: </span><a href="http://www.gaia-geosystems.org" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>www.gaia-geosystems.org</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br>Twitter: @GaiaGeosystems<br>LinkedIn: </span><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/steeveebener" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>http://www.linkedin.com/in/steeveebener</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br><br>One Planet, One System<br><br></span><span style='font-family:Symbol'>P</span><span lang=EN-US> Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Thank you</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: maning sambale [mailto:</span><a href="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</span></a><span lang=EN-US>]<br>Sent: vendredi 1 février 2013 15:03<br>To: osm-ph; Steeve Ebener; Mark Anthonie Bello<br>Subject: Possible collaboration with OSM and DOH to locate health facilities<br><br>Dear everyone,<br><br>I had a meeting with Department of Health (DOH) IMS division on the possibility of collaborating with the OSM-PH community. No clear plans yet on the collaboration but I would like to put forward the discussions in this list.<br><br>= Overview =<br>Basically, DOH intends to improve their database for the location of health facilities in the country. They will use the data on several information management of the Department. At the moment, they have several database developed in various projects.<br>Each db uses a different system but one thing they lack is a uniform geographic identifier. An example of the db is available in the Unified Health Management Information System portal [0]. This online portal lists ~21,000 health facilities all over the country.<br><br>At the moment they were able to geocode ~4,000 locations [2] (~20%).<br><br>= What they need from OSM =<br><br>A couple of ideas that were discussed are:<br> - Verify the location of the 4,000 geocoded facilities in the existing OSM data. Right now, there isn't any clear evaluation on the accuracy of the locations (a process of Q/A is now being developed).<br>Some facilities are actually in Sulu Sea! Check out the southern part of Negros island [2].<br> - Fill in the gaps. the IMS division have limited funds to individually verify and take GPS readings of each facility. OSM data can possibly fill in the gaps. Using the Overpass turbo [3], I was able to check that we have ~1,100 amenity=hospital ways and nodes.<br>Note that some maybe duplicates and I have not included other health facilities like barangay health centers (tagged as amenity=clinic clinic=public [4]).<br> - Ask the community to map more health facilities. The only additional tag they want included is the Health Facility Code (an alphanumeric code similar to NSCB's PSGC [5]). This code will allow them to link the OSM geometry into their health facility db.<br> - Train DOH staff to edit OSM.<br> - Build some easy to use tools to collect data in the field.<br><br>= Pending issues =<br>As with most government data, they are available only on a non-commercial use. Specifically, the DOH generated locations. For the other information in the online db, they are OK with public access without restrictions. This will be in conflict with OSM's ODbL. A workaround discussed was to separate the DOH db with OSM's data points. No public db will be distributed that integrates both data sources. Is this in compliance with the ODbL? If not, what are other ways in which we can use OSM data in relation to DOH's plans.<br><br>Everything I've listed are open to discussions. I included here two people from DOH to keep them aware of the discussions. (@ Steeve and Mark, please subscribe to our mailinglist [6] to keep track of the<br>discussions)<br><br>Regardless of what DOH intends to do, I encourage everyone to include health facilities in your own list of things to map.<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>---<br>[0] </span><a href="http://uhmis1.doh.gov.ph/UnifiedHMIS/" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>http://uhmis1.doh.gov.ph/UnifiedHMIS/</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br>[1] </span><a href="http://uhmis1.doh.gov.ph/doh_facility/rfacilitieslist.php?cmd=resetall" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>http://uhmis1.doh.gov.ph/doh_facility/rfacilitieslist.php?cmd=resetall</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br>[2] </span><a href="http://maps.doh.gov.ph/facilities.html" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>http://maps.doh.gov.ph/facilities.html</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br>[3] </span><a href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>http://overpass-turbo.eu/</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br>[4] </span><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2010-March/001872.html" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2010-March/001872.html</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br>[5] </span><a href="http://www.nscb.gov.ph/activestats/psgc/default.asp" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>http://www.nscb.gov.ph/activestats/psgc/default.asp</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br>[6] </span><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br><br><br>--<br>cheers,<br>maning<br>------------------------------------------------------<br>"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden<br>wiki: </span><a href="http://esambale.wikispaces.com/" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>http://esambale.wikispaces.com/</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br>blog: </span><a href="http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br>------------------------------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US><br>_______________________________________________<br>talk-ph mailing list<br></span><a href="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br></span><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>