<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>just to add:</div><div>trunk/primary roads are main roads you can see at certain zoom levels and provide the route</div><div><br></div><div>i decide on secondary/tertiary/residential by observing how people use the road. i mark roads where jeepneys pass by either minor/tertiary at least</div><div><br></div><div>and lastly, Garmin routing algorithm prefers trunk/primary/secondary in that order so the roads should be properly tagged for the algorithm to compute "best" route<br><br><br><div><div style="font-family: Noteworthy; font-weight: bold; line-height: 24px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(130, 98, 83, 0.0976563); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(191, 107, 82, 0.496094); "><br></div><div style="font-family: Noteworthy; font-weight: bold; line-height: 24px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(130, 98, 83, 0.0976563); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(191, 107, 82, 0.496094); ">---</div><div style="font-family: Noteworthy; font-weight: bold; line-height: 24px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(130, 98, 83, 0.0976563); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(191, 107, 82, 0.496094); ">I explore, therefore I blog!</div><div style="font-family: Noteworthy; font-weight: bold; line-height: 24px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(130, 98, 83, 0.0976563); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(191, 107, 82, 0.496094); "><br></div><div style="font-family: Noteworthy; font-weight: bold; line-height: 24px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(130, 98, 83, 0.0976563); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(191, 107, 82, 0.496094); "><a href="http://www.backpackingphilippines.com">http://www.backpackingphilippines.com</a></div><div style="font-family: Noteworthy; font-weight: bold; line-height: 24px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(130, 98, 83, 0.0976563); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(191, 107, 82, 0.496094); "><br></div><div style="font-family: Noteworthy; font-weight: bold; line-height: 24px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(130, 98, 83, 0.0976563); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(191, 107, 82, 0.496094); "><a href="http://www.facebook.com/backpackingPhilippines">http://www.facebook.com/backpackingPhilippines</a></div><div style="font-family: Noteworthy; font-weight: bold; line-height: 24px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(130, 98, 83, 0.0976563); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(191, 107, 82, 0.496094); "><a href="http://www.twitter.com/backpackPH">http://www.twitter.com/backpackPH</a></div></div></div><div><br>On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:47 PM, maning sambale <<a href="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Dear Ervin,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Common conventions are:</span><br><span> - trunk - roads connecting provinces</span><br><span> - primary - roads connecting towns/cities</span><br><span> - secondary/tertiary - this gets a little bit tricky but for me, but</span><br><span>I use tertiary for most roads connecting barangays</span><br><span></span><br><span>More explanations here [0], which, I think should be updated.</span><br><span></span><br><span>One common case for the PH is that trunk/primary/secondary/tertiary is</span><br><span>not necessarily a paved/concrete/asphalted road. Our tag preference</span><br><span>is by function.</span><br><span>For example a two-lane dirt road by function is major road going</span><br><span>through barangay centers. For this case, my personal preference is to</span><br><span>tag it as highway=tertiary and add a surface [1] tag surface=unpaved.</span><br><span></span><br><span>This is also one topic Totor and I discussed in Cebu. I encourage</span><br><span>everyone that whenever you have explicit knowledge, add the surface</span><br><span>tag.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Hope that helps, please expand this discussion further.</span><br><span></span><br><span>[0] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_conventions#Roads">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_conventions#Roads</a></span><br><span>[1] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Surface">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Surface</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Ervin Malicdem <<a href="mailto:schadow1@gmail.com">schadow1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Just a question regarding road types to satisfy and clarify my curiosity .</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>How do you consider the one to be a trunk, tertiary or secondary?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>As for the road connecting the tunnel to antero soriano highway as well as</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the papaya road connecting it to it as well, I initially tagged it secondary</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>as the road is thin (half of soriano). Do I get the principle correctly or</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>there is more I do not know? Thanks!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ervin Malicdem</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent using Sony Xperia Z</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>for Schadow1 Expeditions - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Motherland.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.s1expeditions.com">http://www.s1expeditions.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Apr 18, 2013 11:17 AM, "tutubi" <<a href="mailto:tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com">tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>heard on the news a while back the tunnel will officially open on July 1</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>that part of the country is a scenic drive, intend to pass by when it</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>opens.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the roads linked by the tunnel in Ternate (linked to Soriano Highway) and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Calatagan Nasugbu should be</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>tagged later as trunk as it connects two provinces now (and be visible on</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>a high zoom level on the map)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>thanks</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>--</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I explore, therefore I blog and map!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.backpackingphilippines.com">http://www.backpackingphilippines.com</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.facebook.com/backpackingPhilippines">http://www.facebook.com/backpackingPhilippines</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.twitter.com/backpackPH">http://www.twitter.com/backpackPH</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <<a href="mailto:seav80@gmail.com">seav80@gmail.com</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>It seems to be in OSM already but part of the route is marked as</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>highway=track. There's also a tunnel present:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://osm.org/go/4zKlwYzB-">http://osm.org/go/4zKlwYzB-</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 11:45 AM, rem zamora <<a href="mailto:pompyang@gmail.com">pompyang@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>i passed this road already. lemme check my gps files when i get home.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>last time i went there last january, it is still being constructed but about</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>80 percent complete and cars can pass the tunnel one at a time.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>if you are coming from manila to nasugbu, this is a good alternative</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>route since you will bypass the traffic of sta rosa and tagaytay already.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>good roads that is comparable to subic roads. sometimes you can even see</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>monkeys by the road side.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>right after puerto azul, there is a junction to your left. it is a paved</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>road. you wont go straight to caylabne. just go straight pagkakaliwa mo,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>tutumbukin mo na yung tunnel na yun lusot mo sa pico de loro at tali beach</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>and other sosi beach resorts :)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>rem</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 11:33 AM, tutubi</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com">tutubi@backpackingphilippines.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>where exactly is this? is this near puerto azul?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>is this already on OSM but UC?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>thanks</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>---</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>talk-ph mailing list</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>--</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Rem Zamora</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Photojournalist</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>+63-917-592-74-33</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>-link to my photos-</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>talk-ph mailing list</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>--</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>---</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I explore, therefore I blog.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.backpackingphilippines.com">http://www.backpackingphilippines.com</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>"I don't need a map! I have the GPS. Never need a map again, thank you"</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> - Car lost on Route 66, Radiator Springs</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>(Cars)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>talk-ph mailing list</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>talk-ph mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span>cheers,</span><br><span>maning</span><br><span>------------------------------------------------------</span><br><span>"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden</span><br><span>wiki: <a href="http://esambale.wikispaces.com/">http://esambale.wikispaces.com/</a></span><br><span>blog: <a href="http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/">http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/</a></span><br><span>------------------------------------------------------</span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>