<div dir="ltr"><div></div>So me being confused about something so simple is valid. :-) <br><br>It all started with me using Osmconvert <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmconvert" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmconvert</a> in the search for a "macgyver solution" to make osm raw data become readable/distributable in spreadsheet form<br>
<div><pre>which has this example that I initially adapted: (csv in @lon @lat order)<br><br>osmconvert shops.osm --all-to-nodes --csv="@id @lon @lat amenity shop name" --csv-headline</pre><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 1:21 PM, maning sambale <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com" target="_blank">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The problem with lat,long is that it will be confusing when you plot<br>
it in a cartesian plane.<br>
Mathematics convention is x,y (hence long,lat) and this becomes more<br>
confusing if you use a projected coordinate system like UTM (Easting,<br>
Northing).<br>
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For a bit of history, the lat, long order came from its roots in sea<br>
navigation. During those days (where there are no GPS or even marine<br>
chronometer) only latitude (north and south) could be measured with<br>
great accuracy.<br>
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My suggestion, stick to the one you prefer and use it consistently.<br>
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On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Ed Garcia <<a href="mailto:eppgarcia@gmail.com">eppgarcia@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div><div><div class="h5">> I also used lat-long ever since. My GPS devices displays them in that<br>
> order, downloads them in that order too. my android GPS apps (GPS<br>
> Essentials, One Touch Location, etc) displays them in that order too.<br>
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> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Wayne Manuel <<a href="mailto:wdmanuel@gmail.com">wdmanuel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Personally, I prefer lat-long. Easier to tell people that it should be<br>
>> alphabetical. And that at least in the PHL, the smaller number comes before<br>
>> the bigger number.<br>
>><br>
>> Also, when copying latitude longitude from Google Maps urls (the ll<br>
>> parameter), it's lat long.<br>
>><br>
>> When you want to quickly check where your lat longs are, you can just<br>
>> paste it into the Google Maps search box as lat,long<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Wayne Manuel<br>
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>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Rally de Leon <<a href="mailto:ralleon@gmail.com">ralleon@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dear all,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Which is the more common / preferred format for csv<br>
>>> lat,long,name or long,lat,name? and why do you prefer one over the other?<br>
>>> (eg. less hassle, less clicks to import csv to common GIS softwares)<br>
>>><br>
>>> If I am to recommend to ordinary people a free conversion utility, which<br>
>>> one? (my 2 preferred utility have different csv format)<br>
>>><br>
>>> If i use "gpsbabel's" generic (Comma separated values) option (eg. kml to<br>
>>> csv conversion)---> gpsbabel -w -i kml -f filename.kml -o csv -F<br>
>>> filename.csv<br>
>>> csv will be in this order---> lat,long,name<br>
>>><br>
>>> If i use another easy-to-use/free/multi-platform "KMLCSV" (from<br>
>>> <a href="http://choonchernlim.com/kmlcsv/" target="_blank">http://choonchernlim.com/kmlcsv/</a> )<br>
>>> kml to csv conversion will give you---> long,lat,name<br>
>>><br>
>>> KMLCSV is very easy to use and allows ordinary people to view the POI's<br>
>>> on built-in google maps for quick verification. easy to install, easy to<br>
>>> distribute, virtually idiot-proof.<br>
>>><br>
>>> GPSBabel is universal, has gui and command line, but has too many<br>
>>> option-buttons that can be confusing for ordinary user.<br>
>>><br>
>>> or is there a way gpsbabel can convert (kml to csv) or (osm to csv) in<br>
>>> long,lat,name csv format?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks,<br>
>>> Rally<br>
>>><br>
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