<div dir="ltr">Dear Manning, Mark, and Pierre,<div><br></div><div>Determining a systematic way to capture emergency shelters is a much needed within OSM. One common challenge is that is many parts of the world emergency shelters serve other purposes such as places of worship or community centers, so they might already be tagged with what they are used for on a daily basis. I'm not sure the best way to tag buildings with multiple functions but I'll keep an eye on this thread and look for an answer. We are currently looking into mapping emergency shelters in a few other countries and I've been contemplating this same issue.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Chad </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Pierre Béland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">
<div><span><br>Mark</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal"><span><br>
</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal"><span>Effectively, we dont tag for the renderer and have to think</span><span><span> about the audiences (public and humanitarian organizations) and which tool / layer to give rapid access to this information
in crisis context. Wireless solutions could be interesting. Then, is it possible to integrate this in existing OSM products such as OSMAnd, OSMTracker, etc ? </span> </span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal">
<span><br></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal"><span>Manning proposition about the various aspects provides significant information. I think that this is a good basis to start thinking about this.</span></div>
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<span>About the humanitarian Style, I am not sure that this is the place. There are many POI's and trying to add an evacuation center over this would add confusion. Also, I dont think that this would be the best option to locate rapidly the evacuation centers.<br>
</span></div><br><span></span><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal"><span>If a Tsunami arize, we need this information to be
available at this crucial moment. Thematic maps could be useful for both the public and the humanitarian organizations. But in case of emergencies, a wireless application that show you the way to the nearest evacuation center would be the best I think.</span></div>
<br><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal"><span>It would be interesting to discuss all of this on the HOT IRC or a specific one for Philippines. We had such discussions for the Mali Activation in 2013. OCHA and the clusters participated to weekly discussions about various subjects like this. This is a good way to progress and motivate OSM contributors and humanitarian about working together.<br>
</span></div> <div><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0,0,191);font-weight:bold">Pierre <br></span><br></div> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">
<div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"><div class=""> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">De :</span></b> Mark Cupitt <<a href="mailto:markcupitt@gmail.com" target="_blank">markcupitt@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b> maning sambale <<a href="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com" target="_blank">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>> <br></div><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc :</span></b> osm-ph <<a href="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a>>; aldwin_mallari2000 <<a href="mailto:aldwin_mallari2000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">aldwin_mallari2000@yahoo.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mercredi 4 juin 2014 8h20<div class=""><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b> Re: [talk-ph] Guagua mapping progress and tagging evacuation centers<br>
</div></font> </div> <div><div><div class="h5"><br><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Maning, I guess the determining factor is who will be using the data. If it is responders in an emergency, all they really need is the location they can plug into a gps and maybe a people capacity so they know what they are dealing with<div>
<br></div><div>If it is end users (public), the more detailed aspect becomes debatable. You do not want people going to the wrong evacuation center for the wrong emergency. That would be disastrous.</div><div><br></div><div>
I think the tagging is great, but maybe should only be rendered on maps specific to disaster relief efforts. As it is, it is unlikely to be rendered on the new OSM Carto, so including the information will do no harm, but could make it available to organizations who need it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Manin, I think your points </div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">* type of disaster</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">* structural integrity</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">* number of evacuees it can accommodate</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">* length of time of the evacuees to stay depending on the resources available</span><br>
</div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">are crucial to responders and would</font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> be incredibly useful for responders in a disaster in the future.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Pierre</font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">, could this be proposed and rendered under the HOT Carto scheme?</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Cheers</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
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<br><br><div>On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:45 PM, maning sambale <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com" target="_blank">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Dear Mark,<br>
<div><br>
> I guess the question is, are there different types of evacuation centers?? I am not sure. If a school is in a low zone is it appropriate for a Tsunami?? I guess GuaGua will not have any Tsunami Evacuation Centers, but will have earthquake, volcano, lahar flows, etc.<br>
> Should they be tagged for the type of disaster they are intended for, or are they generic<br>
<br>
</div>Good point. As what we always discuss to our DRR partners, not all<br>
evacuation centers are the same.<br>
For DRR managers, they need to be aware of the "quality and capacity<br>
of evacuation centers" categorized according to:<br>
* type of disaster<br>
* structural integrity<br>
* number of evacuees it can accommodate<br>
* length of time of the evacuees to stay depending on the resources available<br>
<br>
But for now, I am not sure if this should be included in OSM.<br>
<div><br>
> Lastly, would it be appropriate to include contact details for the different services?? Hard to maintain unless the relief agencies do it them selves ..<br>
<br>
</div>Unless it is an official contact number like Davao's 911 or Pasig's<br>
DRR Command Center, I don't think it should be in OSM.<br>
This is more appropriate for the LGU's DRRM Office to maintain as an<br>
internal db.<br>
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