<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Maning's recent message about mapping the Batad rice terraces brings us back to this discussion.<br></div><br></div>I don't quite agree that mapping individual rice paddies as landuse=farm is the way to go. I think the whole rice farm should be mapped as a single object and then the walls/terraces should be mapped as a different object.<br><br></div>I think man_made=bund is a pretty good suggestion. If we all agree on this tag, then we should use it and then suggest it to the global community on the tagging mailing list.<br><br></div>~Eugene<br><div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Erwin Olario <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:govvin@gmail.com" target="_blank">govvin@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default">A bund is also defined as an embankment to control the flow of water. And for reference, the English equivalent for the Tagalog term "pilapil" is dyke or dike [0] or bund [1].</div>
<div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">I am withdrawing my suggestion for the dyke tag, and second Maning's tag man_made=bund as technically more appropriate in the context of Asian rice fields and paddies. If this motion is carried, let's not forget to document this somewhere [2][3].</div>
<div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">[0] <a href="http://tl.w3dictionary.org/index.php?q=pilapil" target="_blank">http://tl.w3dictionary.org/index.php?q=pilapil</a></div><div class="gmail_default">
[1] <a href="http://www.binisaya.com/node/21&search=root&word=pilapil" target="_blank">http://www.binisaya.com/node/21&search=root&word=pilapil</a></div><div class="gmail_default">[2] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dbund" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dbund</a></div>
<div class="gmail_default">[3] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Mapping_conventions" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Mapping_conventions</a></div><div class="gmail_default">
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<br><br></span><div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM, maning sambale <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com" target="_blank">emmanuel.sambale@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Yes, truly awesome work by the Lubao MPDC staff especially Pepe. Just<br>
a bit of update from what I heard from Pepe and others.<br>
They were able to use the map in the preparation for Glenda. Right<br>
now, they are asking each barangay captain to identify key features in<br>
the map like (amenities, shops, name of rivers, sitios, etc) which<br>
they now add in the map.<br>
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Tasking manager job is still not finished [0], and they appreciate<br>
everybody's review especially with validating the task. They are also<br>
having difficulty tagging some features (same as this original<br>
thread), I asked them to list them and send to this mailinglist so we<br>
can help them identify or create (if necessary) the best tag.<br>
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Sorry for the digression, so what's the best tag now for paths along<br>
rice paddies? Should it be man_made=bund [1]? :)<br>
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[0] <a href="http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/329" target="_blank">http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/329</a><br>
[1] <a href="http://www.mozda.net/mozda6.html" target="_blank">http://www.mozda.net/mozda6.html</a><br>
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On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Erwin Olario <<a href="mailto:govvin@gmail.com" target="_blank">govvin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On a related note, should we encourage mapping of individual rice paddies,<br>
> similar to what's being done with fish ponds?<br>
><br>
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> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Erwin Olario <<a href="mailto:govvin@gmail.com" target="_blank">govvin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> It's probably not being used as such but rice are flood crops and the wiki<br>
>> page for dyke states it as "an embankment built to *restrict the flow of<br>
>> water or other liquids*" , which in this applies to restricting the water<br>
>> within the paddies.<br>
>><br>
>> Is there a more appropriate tag?<br>
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>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <<a href="mailto:seav80@gmail.com" target="_blank">seav80@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> I think neither tag is appropriate. man_made=dyke doesn't seem to be<br>
>>> appropriate since a dyke's purpose is to prevent flooding, and these rice<br>
>>> paddy embankments do not do that.<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Aug 11, 2014 5:32 AM, "Erwin Olario" <<a href="mailto:govvin@gmail.com" target="_blank">govvin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> First of all, kudos to the volunteers working in the Lubao area[0] in<br>
>>>> Pampanga for the level of details they are adding to OpenStreetMap.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I do wonder, however, if the appropriate tags are being used. In this<br>
>>>> case, paddy field levees are being tagged as highway=path, when in fact<br>
>>>> they are primarily used as embankments, not as paths.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Many of us here in the mailing list would consider Lubao as a local<br>
>>>> showcase for OpenStreetMap and perhaps, like me, would like it to show what<br>
>>>> "Philippine Mapping Convention" is like in real life.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I normally use the following tags for rice paddies:<br>
>>>> landuse=farmland<br>
>>>> crop=rice<br>
>>>> farm=flooded_crops<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> What are your thoughts about tagging ways between paddies as<br>
>>>> man_made=dyke [1] over highway=path ?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> [0] <a href="http://osm.org/go/4zOPCCmZg-?m=" target="_blank">http://osm.org/go/4zOPCCmZg-?m=</a><br>
>>>> [1] <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddyke" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddyke</a><br>
>>>><br>
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