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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi, Pierre,<br>
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Thanks for the reply. It seems to me that when a road has a ref
tag, the itinerary calculator generally ignores street names,
including the one given to the Abacan Bridge. This may make sense
in Europe and the US, but here it's actually quite confusing.<br>
The ref (R-9 fo MacArthur Highway) is generally not used outside
of the mapping community, and hardly within I believe. If I ask
500 random people on the street in Angeles City where R-9 or R-8
is, I doubt a single one would know. Furthermore, I can't remember
seeing a single sign along a road stating the ref. The ideal
displayed name for this road would be "MacArthur Highway" - that's
what everyone calls it. Same for R-9, which is known as "NLEX", or
simply "the expressway". Is there a way to make that happen, but
still not tag for display purposes? Could we simply remove the ref
tag entirely, maybe renaming it to "future_ref" or something
awaiting the local government actually putting up signs so that
people are aware of it (likely to take decades)? If we're supposed
to map reality, the ref tag, at least outside of Metro Manila,
does not reflect it at the moment.<br>
<br>
Also, the itinerary calculator unfortunately doesn't seem to
handle roundabouts very well. Or are they incorrectly tagged? If I
was to give that itinerary description to someone, I am sure they
would get lost, as I can hardly think of a more complicated way to
describe an essentially straight piece of road. Knowing I might
have been tagging incorrectly in this area myself, is there any
way we could tag this differently to improve the routing?<br>
<br>
Ideally this stretch would be described as:<br>
Follow MacArthur Highway<br>
Turn slight right onto Abacan Bridge<br>
Turn slight left onto MacArthur Highway (or better, "Take 3rd exit
in the roundabout onto MacArthur Highway", but this may be hard if
the routing software doesn't know it's a roundabout...)<br>
Reach destination.<br>
<br>
Ronny.<br>
<br>
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On 2015-02-19 09:33, Pierre Béland wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_9477"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_9536">Hi Ronny,</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_9648" dir="ltr"><br>
<span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_9536"></span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_9649" dir="ltr"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_9536">I thought of using the
new itinary calculation crossing the Abacan bridge. I can
see from the map in this area that in Philippines, like
elsewhere, ref tag is used for roads (here ref=R-9).</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_9878" dir="ltr"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_9536">See the link for the
itinary</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_9855" dir="ltr"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_9536"><a
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id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_9854"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_car&route=15.1682%2C120.5893%3B15.1426%2C120.5962#map=15/15.1554/120.5929">http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_car&route=15.1682%2C120.5893%3B15.1426%2C120.5962#map=15/15.1554/120.5929</a></span></div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_9766" dir="ltr"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_9536">With OSRM, it does show
the ref-R-9 but do not report bridge crossing.</span> With
Mapquest, there is even less info.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_10312" dir="ltr"><br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_10278" dir="ltr">I wonder if
OSMAnd on Android or any other road calculation software would
report bridge crossing.</div>
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Eugene Alvin Villar <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:seav80@gmail.com"><seav80@gmail.com></a>; Pierre
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b>
Mercredi 18 février 2015 20h18<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b>
Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels<br>
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class="yiv7806072733moz-cite-prefix">This is a good
point Eugene, and in fact the bridge names are very
good landmarks, given that there are not many other
signs on the roads in the Philippines, especially in
rural areas. Another thing to take into
consideration is that many bridges gain their name
from the river they cross over, so there may be many
bridges with the same name. They are definitely not
tagged consistently at the moment, for example:<br
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If I remember correctly, they are both named Abacan
Bridge, but only one of them has that name on the
map, and incidentally the one with a different road
name on each side does not.<br clear="none">
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Do you know if common routing software will pick up
the bridge:name=* tag?<br clear="none">
Yes, I know we're not supposed to tag based on what
current software will pick up, but it is interesting
to know, given that bridges are such great
landmarks.<br clear="none">
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It would be great with a published suggested
standard that fits the Philippine conditions.<br
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On 2015-02-19 08:08, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:<br
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Most bridges here in the Philippines have
names no matter how small. You can usually
spot their name on the guard rail or on a
small sign just before the bridge. These names
are almost always accompanied by the maximum
load the bridge can handle (which is tagged
using maxweight=*) and sometimes with the
distance from the island's zero-kilometer
marker (I have no idea how to tag these. Maybe
distance=*?).<br clear="none">
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Some examples:<br clear="none">
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
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href="http://www.philippinesdailyphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bukidnon-atugan-bridge.jpg">http://www.philippinesdailyphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bukidnon-atugan-bridge.jpg</a><br
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shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="http://www.zamboanga.com/z/images/0/09/Calapan_Bridge,_Calapan,_Kabasalan,_Zamboanga_Sibugay,_Philippines.JPG">http://www.zamboanga.com/z/images/0/09/Calapan_Bridge,_Calapan,_Kabasalan,_Zamboanga_Sibugay,_Philippines.JPG</a><br
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="http://static.rappler.com/images/tullahan-bridge-screengrab-20130708.jpg">http://static.rappler.com/images/tullahan-bridge-screengrab-20130708.jpg</a><br
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Eugene<br clear="none">
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19, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Pierre Béland <span
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<div dir="ltr">I expect that only the
major bridges have name. And we
generally refer to these by their name
and not the road reference. Unless you
have particularities in Philippines.</div>
<div dir="ltr">Example Golden Gate Bridge
in San Francisco bay.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">À :</span></b>
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OSM-PH <<a
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Envoyé
le :</span></b> Mercredi 18
février 2015 12h35<br clear="none">
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Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and
tunnels<br clear="none">
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Option 1 is what I do.<br
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Take note that if we
have a way with
highway=something and
bridge=yes, then the
object is primarily a
highway/road and the
bridge is only an aspect
or property of the
highway/road segment.
Therefore, the name=*
tag should be the name
of the highway/road. And
then put the name of the
bridge on the
bridge:name=* tag.<br
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Besides, it will be very
weird to have a long
highway with unconnected
names just because there
are bridges along the
highway.<br clear="none">
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The only time I would put
the name of the bridge on
the name=* tag is if the
roads from both ends of
the bridge have different
names. For example, the
bridge formerly called Del
Pan in Manila: <a
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at 5:34 PM, Ervin
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regarding
tagging
bridges.<br
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What is the
appropriate
way of tagging
bridges?<br
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Option1: Use
the name of
the road, and
place the name
of the bridge
under
bridge:name or
the name of
the tunnel
under
tunnel:name<br
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Option2: Use the
name of the
bridge/tunnel,
omit the road
name<br
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M.<br
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Expeditions</b>
- A Filipino
must not be a
stranger to
his own
motherland.
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