<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_3965">Hi Eugene</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_3966"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_3967" dir="ltr">I understand that in the context of Philippines islands, bridges are quite important. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_4541" dir="ltr"><br></div><div style="" class="" dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_4192">Your
pictures clearly show that the sign at the beginning of the bridge
refer to the bridge name and not the road name. We generally say that we
tag first from the information observed in the field. But I understand that you might adopt different systems for Philippines. It is up to your community to decide.<br style="" class=""></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_4606" style="" class="" dir="ltr"><br style="" class=""></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_4542" dir="ltr">This Overpass query provides the way objects with a bridge tag. To have a smaller file, I did not request for the nodes.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_4125" dir="ltr"><a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_4156" href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/7K1">http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/7K1</a><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_4125"> <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_3970"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_7800" dir="ltr">The query gave me 4,091 bridges with the tag name and none with ref. While we see the road name associated with some bridge (for example Southern Tagalog), this is not the case for the majority of the bridges. And this would not respect what the sign show at the beginning of the bridge.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_8091" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_8090" dir="ltr">Taginfo shows that tags such as bridge:name and bridge_name are used in other countries, but not in Philippines. Note also that the renderer show both name and ref.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_4508" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_4302"><br></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_3971" class="signature"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_4126" style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;">Pierre <br></span></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_4032" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_4031" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_4030" dir="ltr"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_4029" size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_4123" size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> Pierre Béland <pierzenh@yahoo.fr> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc :</span></b> Ervin Malicdem <schadow1@gmail.com>; OSM-PH <talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mercredi 18 février 2015 19h08<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424307056846_4061" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv0774305486"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Pierre,<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>Most bridges here in the Philippines have names no matter how small. You can usually spot their name on the guard rail or on a small sign just before the bridge. These names are almost always accompanied by the maximum load the bridge can handle (which is tagged using maxweight=*) and sometimes with the distance from the island's zero-kilometer marker (I have no idea how to tag these. Maybe distance=*?).<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>Some examples:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.philippinesdailyphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bukidnon-atugan-bridge.jpg">http://www.philippinesdailyphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bukidnon-atugan-bridge.jpg</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.zamboanga.com/z/images/0/09/Calapan_Bridge,_Calapan,_Kabasalan,_Zamboanga_Sibugay,_Philippines.JPG">http://www.zamboanga.com/z/images/0/09/Calapan_Bridge,_Calapan,_Kabasalan,_Zamboanga_Sibugay,_Philippines.JPG</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://static.rappler.com/images/tullahan-bridge-screengrab-20130708.jpg">http://static.rappler.com/images/tullahan-bridge-screengrab-20130708.jpg</a><br clear="none"></div><div><div><br clear="none">Regards,<br clear="none">Eugene<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv0774305486yqt1510843006" id="yiv0774305486yqt18831"><div class="yiv0774305486gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv0774305486gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Pierre Béland <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv0774305486gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div>Eugene,</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">I expect that only the major bridges have name. And we generally refer to these by their name and not the road reference. Unless you have particularities in Philippines.</div><div dir="ltr">Example Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco bay.</div><div dir="ltr"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/52477381">OpenStreetMap | Golden Gate Bridge (52477381)</a><br clear="none"></div><div><span></span></div><div> </div><div><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0,0,191);font-weight:bold;">Pierre <br clear="none"></span></div><br clear="none"> <div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Eugene Alvin Villar <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:seav80@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:seav80@gmail.com">seav80@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">À :</span></b> Ervin Malicdem <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:schadow1@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:schadow1@gmail.com">schadow1@gmail.com</a>> <br clear="none"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc :</span></b> OSM-PH <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mercredi 18 février 2015 12h35<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels<br clear="none"> </font> </div><div><div class="yiv0774305486h5"> <div><br clear="none"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Ervin,<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>Option 1 is what I do.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>Take note that if we have a way with highway=something and bridge=yes, then the object is primarily a highway/road and the bridge is only an aspect or property of the highway/road segment. Therefore, the name=* tag should be the name of the highway/road. And then put the name of the bridge on the bridge:name=* tag.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>Besides, it will be very weird to have a long highway with unconnected names just because there are bridges along the highway.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The only time I would put the name of the bridge on the name=* tag is if the roads from both ends of the bridge have different names. For example, the bridge formerly called Del Pan in Manila: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4304674">www.openstreetmap.org/way/4304674</a><br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"></div><div>~Eugene<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div><div><br clear="none"><div>On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Ervin Malicdem <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:schadow1@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:schadow1@gmail.com">schadow1@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Query regarding tagging bridges.<br clear="none"></div>What is the appropriate way of tagging bridges?<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>Option1: Use the name of the road, and place the name of the bridge under bridge:name or the name of the tunnel under tunnel:name<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>Option2: Use the name of the bridge/tunnel, omit the road name<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>Thanks<br clear="none"><div><div><div><br clear="all"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr">Ervin M.<br clear="none"><b>Schadow1 Expeditions</b> - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland.<div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.s1expeditions.com/">http://www.s1expeditions.com</a></div></div></div></div>
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