<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Grab OSM, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">No problem. As to why I didn’t “correct” all of them? There are probably hundreds of subdivision roads with variant labelling throughout the Philippines ;-) I’m not sure that I am willing to go through one by one and “correct” them :-) Especially as there is some current debate in this group about the proper labelling. My primary connection to this thread is the Pingkian 2 access gate. I decided to update the other ways because it was convenient. I suggest that since you guys are looking through these ways tagging potential “corrections," why not make the changes yourself? Not trying to be rude, just a question :-) </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My two cents on the debate regarding “correct” labelling of private roads in subdivisions. In most cases these roads are in fact private and it’s up to the various Homeowners Associations to set the rules for their own road uses. It’s almost impossible for someone to divine these Homeowner intentions without local knowledge. For example, one of the subdivisions you tagged in your post seems to have changing policies. They sell access stickers but don’t seem to enforce them past one or two months. How does one tag roads that are technically private but essentially public? It is a quandary indeed :-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Michael<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 21 Feb 2019, at 21:29, grab osm <<a href="mailto:grab.osm@globallogic.com" class="">grab.osm@globallogic.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Thanks Michael for acknowledging and correcting <div class="">However, needed a quick clarification. Along with the edits made, there are other segments which needs correction. </div><div class="">Way id's mentioned in our earlier email were examples id's. Just wanted to check if there is any specific reason for not correcting all of them.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Basis the gate location, we understand access restrictions needs to be assigned to following ways.</div><div class="">way 129591536</div><div class="">way 130957072</div><div class="">way 130957057</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please suggest</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Grab Team.<br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:35 PM Michael Fast <<a href="mailto:seatsinc@gmail.com" class="">seatsinc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class="">Grabteam,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please see my comments below for clarification. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Michael<br class=""><br class=""><div id="gmail-m_1815810365654372912AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr" class="">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">On 20 Feb 2019, at 15:55, Erwin Olario <<a href="mailto:govvin@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">govvin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Currently, many highways within gated subdivisions are tagged as private. It seems that the more appropriate tag is access=destination, where access rights are granted every time a guest is allowed in, and is the most likely case. access=permissive is not necessarily correct, where the visitor is assumed to have been given casual access, without asking further permission.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In summary, common access values for access for local roads:<br class=""></div><div class="">private - access to owners only (e.g, household driveways)<br class=""></div><div class="">destination - temporary access is given, until destination is reached (shared roads, in gated communities/subdivisions/estates)<br class=""></div><div class="">permissive - nominally private, casual use are tolerated by the owners until revoked (e.g. private subdivisions, without guards or barriers)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:35 PM grab osm via talk-ph <<a href="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" class="">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Hi Team,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Request your help in clarifying a couple of questions related to access restrictions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1)**Incorrect segments assigned as access=private**</div><div class="">At this location, 14.6792514, 121.0568702, there is a gate with name(Gate to Pingki-an 2).</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is a gate to a footpath. In years past there was access here but the neighbouring subdivision has since closed the gate. I have updated the permission to “private.” I have also adjusted the gates position to make it clearer that it affects the footpath and not the residential street. </div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Basis gate location and name, we assume segments to the north should be assigned as access=permissive basis poi's and surrounding landuse polygon names</div><div class="">Example way id's -</div><div class="">way 655215117</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div class="">Changed to “destination”</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">way 655215119</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" class="">Changed to “destination”</span></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">way 655215118</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" class="">Changed to “destination”</span></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">way 129591536 </div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div class="">This is a footpath or eskinita. Access is from the north via a network of other footpaths or eskinita. </div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">However, access restrictions are given to segments towards south</div><div class="">Example way id's -</div><div class="">way 28296648</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" class="">Changed to “destination”</span><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">way 23172246</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" class="">Changed to “destination”</span></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">way 23172447</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" class="">Changed to “destination”</span><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2)**Segments assigned as access=private should be changed to access=permissive**</div><div class="">Below mentioned example way id's are assigned as access=private, however basis the landuse residential polygons, we assume access should be changed to permissive.</div><div class="">Example way id's -</div><div class="">way 130960943</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" class="">Changed to “destination”</span></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">way 22952874</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" class="">Changed to “destination”</span></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">way 28296647</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" class="">Changed to “destination”</span><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">way 22952900</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" class="">Changed to “destination”</span><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Alternatively we have created an <a href="https://github.com/GRABOSM/Grab-Data/issues/31" target="_blank" class="">issue</a> in our github page.</div><div class="">Kindly take time to review and suggest. <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">GrabTeam</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div>
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