<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">The available imagery in that area is very current, from January to February 2021. Street signs are clearly visible in the photos, as can be seen in this photo example [1] from the sequences contributed by the user mdgabriel [2].<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Using "117 Maginhawa, Diliman, Quezon City 1101" as an address doesn't appear problematic for me. I am certain that if it's real, and I post something to it, it will reach its destination.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">"Weird" is a subjective term, that's why the community follows conventions. Is it not the current Philippine convention to map the full names as used in physical street signs, because that's publicly verifiable? <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">With a few exceptions, If in official documents, a highway is referred to as "XYZ Street" but the posted street signs only says "Xyz", isn't it also the convention to use name="Xyz" + official_name="XYZ Street" ?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">[1]: <a href="https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/RER3VDfbMGxeZCCwZBE95V" target="_blank">https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/RER3VDfbMGxeZCCwZBE95V</a></div></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">[2]: <a href="https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/mdgabriel?lat=14.968796535597093&lng=121.02947521607416&z=7.810609798421078">https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/mdgabriel?lat=14.968796535597093&lng=121.02947521607416&z=7.810609798421078</a></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"></div><br></div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif" color="#999999">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - </font><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><font color="#999999">»</font><font color="#ff6633"> </font>email:<font color="#000000"> <a href="mailto:erwin@ngnuity.net" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" target="_blank">erwin@</a></font><a href="http://ngnuity.net/" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" target="_blank"><font color="#ff9900"><b>n</b></font><font color="#0066cc"><b>gnu</b></font><b><font color="#9900ff">it</font></b><font color="#ff9900"><b>y</b></font><font color="#000000"><b>.<font color="#ff9900">xyz</font></b></font></a><font color="#000000"> </font><span style="color:rgb(255,102,51)">|</span><font color="#000000"> <a href="mailto:govvin@gmail.com" target="_blank">govvin@gmail.com</a></font></font><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><font color="#999999">»</font><font color="#ff6633"> </font>mobile: <a href="https://t.me/GOwin" target="_blank">https://t.me/GOwin</a></font></div><div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><font><font color="#999999">»</font><font color="#000000"> </font></font>OpenPGP key: 3A93D56B <span style="color:rgb(255,102,51)">|</span> 5D42 7CCB 8827 9046 1ACB 0B94 63A4 81CE 3A93 D56B</font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 9:55 AM Jherome Miguel <<a href="mailto:jheromemiguel@gmail.com">jheromemiguel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Hmm, looks like you've missing the point that you should consider business signage, calling cards and things as valid sources as well. Don't just rely too much on the blue and white street sign in the corner. Did you saw anything like that?<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If "weird" is not the best way to describe the problem of using bare names, I can better say bare names don't fit well with addresses. The street signs may don't have the suffix, but the other signs plus common sense will tell. Would an example "117 Maginhawa" be a good address to send mail? I'll say no.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Again, when is the imagery dated?<br><br><div dir="auto">--TagaSanPedroAko</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 9:21 AM Erwin Olario, <<a href="mailto:govvin@gmail.com" target="_blank">govvin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">The current street-level imagery from Mapillary in the area shows no "street" suffixes on the street signs. Imagery, and local knowledge is the basis for that particular edit.<br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">The number one rule for mappers in OpenStreetMap is to map what's on the ground. Adding "street" because it looks weird does not follow the on-the-ground rule. <br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">/Erwin<br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif" color="#999999">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - </font><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><font color="#999999">»</font><font color="#ff6633"> </font>email:<font color="#000000"> <a href="mailto:erwin@ngnuity.net" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">erwin@</a></font><a href="http://ngnuity.net/" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><font color="#ff9900"><b>n</b></font><font color="#0066cc"><b>gnu</b></font><b><font color="#9900ff">it</font></b><font color="#ff9900"><b>y</b></font><font color="#000000"><b>.<font color="#ff9900">xyz</font></b></font></a><font color="#000000"> </font><span style="color:rgb(255,102,51)">|</span><font color="#000000"> <a href="mailto:govvin@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">govvin@gmail.com</a></font></font><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><font color="#999999">»</font><font color="#ff6633"> </font>mobile: <a href="https://t.me/GOwin" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://t.me/GOwin</a></font></div><div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><font><font color="#999999">»</font><font color="#000000"> </font></font>OpenPGP key: 3A93D56B <span style="color:rgb(255,102,51)">|</span> 5D42 7CCB 8827 9046 1ACB 0B94 63A4 81CE 3A93 D56B</font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 7:42 AM Jherome Miguel <<a href="mailto:jheromemiguel@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">jheromemiguel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Hi,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div>Since the discussion at <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/98219661" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/98219661</a>, I think we should review our existing convention on naming streets, especially those with the "Street" suffix, and and handling of street with official signs that omit the suffixes. Common OSM practice on street names is to use full names, but existing PH convention somewhat encourages dropping of suffixes regardless of what signs say, especially for inner streets, just like some other road maps in the Philippines (<span style="font-family:sans-serif">and even signs)</span> do. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Some important arguments are:<br><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">- OSM is also a database and not just a mere road map (and complete data is important). Road maps may use common short forms of full road names for easy recognition, but OSM is far more than those. Maps that use OSM data have many choices on how to handle road names: use the full name, use abbreviations, or just use the bare name. By eliminating it, important info is lost.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">- Using bare road names looks plain weird, especially for addresses (unless we're one of the countries where omitting affixes on most street names is the norm in maps, signs, and addresses). Ads, business signs, and things should also be considered as sources, not just the sign at the street corner. Official road signs may not be consistent in how the name is written, and the name posted in business addresses may be far better in telling the name of the road in question. </span><div dir="auto">- The temptation by some mappers to abbreviate suffixes is not a sufficient reason to eliminate these info from road names.</div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">--TagaSanPedroAko</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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