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Viva,<br>
<br>
A minha opinião sobre a CAOP, que sei não é partilhada por todos
nesta lista, é que deve ser importada de forma automática para o
OSM. Talvez não do modo como o Marcos começou a fazer mas defendo
que se deve desenvolver um método automático que possa ser
reutilizado ano após ano (com eventuais adaptações). Penso que é
isso que o Francisco está a desenvolver.<br>
<br>
E será talvez esse o ponto que culminou neste episódio. Sem ter
falado com nenhum dos intervenientes arrisco a dizer que o Marcos
ficou impaciente porque o trabalho de importação está a demorar e
resolveu "atalhar caminho". Por outro lado o Francisco ficou
aborrecido porque viu que o trabalho que tem vindo a desenvolver
estava a ser "minado".<br>
<br>
Ambos são uma grande mais valia para a comunidade OSM e espero que
ponham isto para trás das costas. Que tal contribuirmos todos para a
discussão técnica da melhor forma de fazer a importação? <br>
<br>
Se a solução for a que o Francisco está a desenvolver convém de
qualquer forma que existam outras pessoas que percebam o problema e
a solução, para que a comunidade não fique a depender de uma única
pessoa.<br>
<br>
Um abraço,<br>
Rúben<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19-11-2014 00:07, Marcos Oliveira
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Olá a todos,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Eu queria-vos dar a conhecer que enviei para o Data Working
Group (DWG) um e-mail sobre esta situação, assim como o pedido
para reverter tudo o que a minha conta de importação fez desde
o dia que a criei.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Coloco abaixo a mensagem que enviei-lhes, na sua integra,
para assim todos terem o conhecimento do que eu escrevi.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Com toda a estima,</div>
<div>Marcos Oliveira</div>
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style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Data
Working Group,</span>
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<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Hello,
I am Marcos Oliveira and I'm contacting you to discuss about
a current problem that exists in the Portuguese OSM
community where I am the sole responsible in question.</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">The
issue is regarding the alteration and addition of
administrative boundaries and natural parks through my
alternate account, ViriatoLusitano_import. [1] </div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A user, Francisco, submitted a thread in the Portuguese
mailing list [2] stating how I have been disrespecting the
work of others by eliminating nodes, ways and relations,
namely places and boundaries (administrative and natural
parks), claiming that I've been doing outright vandalism.
He also claims to have sent you an e-mail about this
situation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let me show you my version of the story. I want it to
be explicitly known that I'm <b>not claiming</b> to be
innocent, I admit I've done many things wrong but
vandalizing is not one of them.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Francisco brought forward three main issues that I've
caused: </div>
<div>
<ol>
<li style="margin-left:15px">The deletion of ways and
relations that other users have made</li>
<li style="margin-left:15px">The modification of
Portugal/Spain boundary </li>
<li style="margin-left:15px">The removal of places,
namely hamlets</li>
</ol>
</div>
<div>Regarding the first point, when I began working on
manually importing administrative boundaries back on the
12th of September, I always tried working using the
existing elements that were contributed by other people.
The problem was that whenever I tried to upload the
progress I've done (after successfully validating), there
appeared conflicts in the data, sometimes in the
hundreds. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Since I didn't want to mess and probably ruin different
types of data other than administrative boundaries, I
opted to first remove the old boundaries where I later
carefully imported my own work, without first contacting
the Portuguese community about this.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Just recently I have learned to use the "replace
geometry" tool that the <i>utilsplugin2</i> plugin offers
to conflate the data; now I can work without ever having
to delete a way nor any relations whatsoever.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regarding the second point, while I was working near
the boundary with Spain I found out that there were places
where the boundary was erroneous: sometimes our (or their)
territory was hundreds of meters away from were it was
supposed to be.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What I've done was, (again, I didn't want to cause any
conflicts with the existing data), remove the old way
while at the same time replacing it with one that followed
official data from CAOP 2014 as well as it having all the
tags it previously had, including relations that included
said way.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Again, in my ignorance, I disregarded it as something
unimportant to discuss with the Portuguese and the Spanish
community because I thoroughly checked every relation to
see if I was not breaking anything.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regarding the third point, I removed a lot of hamlets,
not because I didn't like them, but because I was
suspicious they were bad data that was transcribed either
from gpspostcode [3] (licence not compatible with OSM) or
Google because a lot of hamlets had the exact same
coordinates as the information provided by the entities I
mentioned just now. Once again, I didn't discuss this
removal with the community.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I've always planned on replacing the data because I
don't like removing data from OSM. I asked some family
members that live in the same general area where the
removals were made about the many hamlets that existed. As
of now I've already received information for one
municipality which I promptly edited back into OSM. [4]</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In short, I have removed existing data and replaced it
with data that was 100% manually verified that was of same
or better quality. The central problem is that I removed
the history that contributors before me have made. This is
a very big mistake I've done, I admit, but it is not
vandalism.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Having stated my arguments, I also come to you to ask
permission for you to completely revert my import account
in order to correct the mistakes I've done.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A friendly contributor called naoliv, and I have been
trying to find all day a way to successfully conflate the
old, deleted data with the new, improved data that I've
inserted. What we have found is that it is possible but
will take a very long time and it is actually more time
efficient to just revert all my edits and start anew,
respecting the work of others and the wishes of the
community as I should always have done.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My motto is to help, not hurt the work of others.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm deeply sorry for doing what I've done, it won't
happen again. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yours sincerely,<br>
Marcos Oliveira aka. ViriatoLusitano<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ViriatoLusitano_import"
target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ViriatoLusitano_import</a></div>
<div>[2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-pt/2014-November/001038.html"
target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-pt/2014-November/001038.html</a></div>
<div>[3] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.gpspostcode.com/" target="_blank">http://www.gpspostcode.com/</a></div>
<div>[4] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26834569?node_page=6"
target="_blank" style="white-space:pre-wrap">http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26834569?node_page=6</a></div>
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