<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Well wrote tis yesterday at 3 AM, however due to the images it got stuck so im uploading them else where.</div><div><br></div><div>
<p>
Over the last months i have expressed my concern about these
interpretations of "its not on ODbL", OSMF requests dont count a
thing, or it should be write "must" instead of "should".<br>
Most of the companies use Mapbox and sadly this is setting a trend
of "hidding"/ three step to view the attribution. Most famous cases
are Instagram, SnapChat, Facebook in every app or even on the
desktop browser....guess the size of the device for attribution
doesnt apply here... speaking of the word HERE, they even credit OSM
data to HERE (funny enough OSM is the only map that maps cable cars
as ways). Maybe HERE its shorter to be displayed as
attribution... check the email bellow i sent to Mapbox in August
2018 and after few back and fourth emails....asked me on December
the 4th to send URL to the screenshots when most of them are from
apps. Can someone teach me how to grab url from them? And Facebook
only replied to me once, never got a response from my second email....<br></p><p>
I have requested several developers to fix it, few examples:</p><p>
Pix4Dmapper (which on their desktop software isnt crediting OSM)</p><p>
Moovit (they replied they do in their three dots icons under
PARTNERS...afaik we do not do partnerships). <br></p><p>Maps.me have a 2 second
display of the attribution when you open their app...to my email they replied "
Even companies like Apple and Facebook and apps like OsmAnd and Galileo
maps are using OSM data without link to OSM copyright page while
browsing the map."</p><p>Tracedetrail "hides" the attribution under a elevation profile.
</p><pre><font face="Arial"><a href="https://tracedetrail.com/" target="_blank">https://tracedetrail.com/</a>
<a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tracedetrail.trailconnect&hl=en" target="_blank">https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tracedetrail.trailconnect&hl=en</a>
<a href="https://itunes.apple.com/fr/app/trail-connect/id1071923011?l=en&mt=8" target="_blank">https://itunes.apple.com/fr/app/trail-connect/id1071923011?l=en&mt=8</a></font></pre>
<p>Good examples of attribution....so i <b><i>guess</i></b> its
technically possible and not that hard to implement...or maybe its just a
matter of choice or how you respect OSM/OSMF/ODbL:<br></p><p>
</p>
<p>Microsoft - Uses HERE and OSM and attributes both visibly on
the footer <a href="https://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&where1=48.187141%2C%2016.349561&q=48.187141%2C16.349561&cp=48.18694871145921%7E16.349901334904583&lvl=18&encType=1" target="_blank">https://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&where1=48.187141%2C%2016.349561&q=48.187141%2C16.349561&cp=48.18694871145921~16.349901334904583&lvl=18&encType=1</a><br>
</p>
<p>ARCGIS Web - Uses OSM and ESRI data, credits both <a href="https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=fae788aa91e54244b161b59725dcbb2a" target="_blank">https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=fae788aa91e54244b161b59725dcbb2a</a></p>
<p>European Commission - credits OSM and other sources <a href="http://ec.europa.eu/transport/infrastructure/tentec/tentec-portal/map/maps.html" target="_blank">http://ec.europa.eu/transport/infrastructure/tentec/tentec-portal/map/maps.html</a>
and <a href="http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/copernicus-emergency-management-service#zoom=2&lat=23.42974&lon=16.28085&layers=00B0T" target="_blank">http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/copernicus-emergency-management-service#zoom=2&lat=23.42974&lon=16.28085&layers=00B0T</a></p><p><br></p><p>I believe
<b><span class="gmail-m_-4599772648088964110gmail-il">Attribution</span> is important</b>
because it shows the source
of the data, complies with OSM copyright and can eventually
attract more contributors to OSM (if 0.2% of Facebook members
contribute....how many would they be? problably most wont even go
through the 3 step to see the attribution...not everyone are maps geek.
But more importantly,
Facebook lack of <span class="gmail-m_-4599772648088964110gmail-il">attribution</span> sets a <u><b>terrible example on
how to use OSM data without the requested <span class="gmail-m_-4599772648088964110gmail-il">attribution</span></b></u>.
If Facebook doesn't attribute why would any other startup or
anyone else attribute? <br></p><p>I advocate for a permanent
visible attribution. Do understand smartphone screens are smaller, none
the less i dont see anyone not using GOOGLE attribution (cof cof we use
that as an example on OSMF page on how to attribute). Solution in my
point of view: OSM Logo as attribution ormake a shorter attribution.<br></p><p>Only
devices that should have a "non permanent" are wearable devices,
example Garmin devices uses OSM and credits on the info button.</p><p>Another
subject about attribution we must decide is the "static maps" or
thumbnails (facebook uses it among others). technically they are
"substantial" if they have more than 100 elements, so they must credit. <a href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Substantial_-_Guideline#The_Guideline:_What_is_Insubstantial" target="_blank">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Substantial_-_Guideline#The_Guideline:_What_is_Insubstantial</a></p><p><br></p><p><br></p>
<div><b>EMAIL SENT TO MAPBOX IN AUGUST WITH EXAMPLES:</b></div><div>
<p>Another client of yours that is not complying with ODbL and with
the requested <span class="gmail-m_-4599772648088964110gmail-il">attribution</span> is Facebook/Instagram. They even credit
maps to HERE which are OSM (via Mapbox on their Windows app).</p>
<p>Print-screen with proof (which as been sent to Facebook too, only
got one reply after one month of sending the first email, which
was quick replied by me and still no feedback on these). The
layout is exactly the same (yours, Mapbox) as this bad
<span class="gmail-m_-4599772648088964110gmail-il">attribution</span> that they have with a "i". I understand the usage of
the "i" on a mobile device, on a desktop its just "hiding" the
proper <span class="gmail-m_-4599772648088964110gmail-il">attribution</span>, especially when they have two steps to check
the <span class="gmail-m_-4599772648088964110gmail-il">attribution</span> (click "i", click "legal map data" hyperlink to <a href="https://www.facebook.com/maps/attribution_terms?surface=unknown" target="_blank">this
page which credits Mapbox and OSM</a>.... when OSM should be
visible from the start as requested on the OSMF page, which i
transcribe in the end of the email. <br>
</p>
<p>Facebook "<span class="gmail-m_-4599772648088964110gmail-il">attribution</span>", which is completely wrong:<br>
</p>
<p>
</p>
link to photo <a href="https://ibb.co/MSbgsW6">https://ibb.co/MSbgsW6</a> <b>NOTICE TO TALK LIST, you have to press 3 times to acknowledge the map source...when it was HERE it was permanently visible</b><br><p>Part of the email sent to Facebook:</p>
<p>
</p><blockquote type="cite">
<p>Examples of bad Facebook maps:<br>
</p>
<p>1) This map on the Facebook Windows App credits HERE on the
lower left corner. I'm 100% sure that's not HERE ( i confirmed
now as im writing the email, that this is still being credited
to HERE). Firstly HERE does not map cable car as ways (<a href="https://wego.here.com/?map=32.6531,-16.88861,15,public_transport" target="_blank">check
their map</a>), on this map the <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25975745" target="_blank">Funchal
cable car is represented as way just like OSM does</a>. Also
the land-use on the natural areas, matches last year geometry
of OSM DB. The islets (which HERE does not map) and coastline
<a href="https://osmlab.github.io/osm-deep-history/#/relation/1715038" target="_blank">to
which i and others have contributed since 2011</a> is
different. The ferry boat from Funchal to Porto Santo is
labelled as "Funchal-Porto Santo-Funchal" as in OSM and not <a href="https://wego.here.com/directions/mix/Funchal,-Portugal:loc-dmVyc2lvbj0xO3RpdGxlPUZ1bmNoYWw7bGFuZz1wdDtsYXQ9MzIuNjQ2OTQ7bG9uPS0xNi45MDg1MztjaXR5PUZ1bmNoYWw7Y291bnRyeT1QUlQ7Y291bnR5PUlsaGErZGErTWFkZWlyYTtjYXRlZ29yeUlkPWNpdHktdG93bi12aWxsYWdlO3NvdXJjZVN5c3RlbT1pbnRlcm5hbDtwZHNDYXRlZ29yeUlkPTkwMC05MTAwLTAwMDA/Porto-Santo:loc-dmVyc2lvbj0xO3RpdGxlPVBvcnRvK1NhbnRvO2xhbmc9cHQ7bGF0PTMzLjA2MDc7bG9uPS0xNi4zMzQ5MjtjaXR5PVBvcnRvK1NhbnRvO2NvdW50cnk9UFJUO2NvdW50eT1JbGhhK2RlK1BvcnRvK1NhbnRvO2NhdGVnb3J5SWQ9Y2l0eS10b3duLXZpbGxhZ2U7c291cmNlU3lzdGVtPWludGVybmFsO3Bkc0NhdGVnb3J5SWQ9OTAwLTkxMDAtMDAwMA?map=32.8669,-16.41365,10,normal" target="_blank">"Funchal-
Porto Santo" as in HERE</a>. This is clearly misleading
users of what's the source of the map (also there's no "i",
even used wrongly with that hyperlink without displaying it
right away). There might be HERE data on the map, however
crediting HERE with visible <span class="gmail-m_-4599772648088964110gmail-il">attribution</span> and not OSM is
disrespectful. <br>
</p>
link to photo <a href="https://ibb.co/wzZL1D5">https://ibb.co/wzZL1D5</a></blockquote><br>
<br>
OSM screenshot as in September that shows the ways of the four
cable car (the four lines with dots) that are also shown on the
previous image.<br>
link to photo
<a href="https://ibb.co/k3z3CS7">https://ibb.co/k3z3CS7</a><br>
<br>
Query on <a href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/#" target="_blank">https://overpass-turbo.eu/#</a>
for "aerialway=gondola" that shows the four cable cars that are
displayed on the map credited to HERE.<br>
link to photo <a href="https://ibb.co/BsBxywV">https://ibb.co/BsBxywV</a><br><blockquote type="cite">
</blockquote>
<br>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>OSM <span class="gmail-m_-4599772648088964110gmail-il">attribution</span> which is required.<br>
</p>
<p><a href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ#How_should_I_attribute_you.3F" target="_blank"><br>
</a></p>
<p><a href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ#How_should_I_attribute_you.3F" target="_blank">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ#How_should_I_attribute_you.3F</a></p>
<p><a href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ#How_should_I_attribute_you.3F" target="_blank">
</a></p><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ#How_should_I_attribute_you.3F" target="_blank">
<h3><span class="gmail-m_-4599772648088964110gmail-m_-2007725991684493258mw-headline" id="gmail-m_-4599772648088964110gmail-m_-2007725991684493258Where_to_put_it.3F">Where to
put it?</span></h3>
<p>This credit needs to appear in a place that is reasonable
to the medium or means you are utilising. In other words,
you should expect to credit OpenStreetMap in the same way
and with the same prominence as would be expected by any
other map supplier.</p>
</a></blockquote><a href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ#How_should_I_attribute_you.3F" target="_blank">
<br>
</a>
<p>
</p><blockquote type="cite">For a <b>browsable electronic map</b>
(e.g. embedded in a web page or mobile phone application), the
credit should typically appear in the corner of the map, as
commonly seen with map APIs/libraries such as Google Maps.</blockquote>
<br>
<p>Please do not allow your clients to act this way, not only its
not complying with OBdL, its a lack of respect for the
contributors and OSM community. <br>
</p>
<p>But more important, acting like Facebook sets a terrible example
of how not to use OSM open data without complying with OBdL. If
they, why would anyone else?</p></div>
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