Ma bag si eu cu o intrebare, vizavi de fotografiere.<br><br>Cum se calibreaza o fotografie facuta sa zicem dintr-un balon cu aer cald pe coordonatele GPS ?<br><br>Multumesc,<br>Mihai.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/9/26 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:talk-ro-request@openstreetmap.org">talk-ro-request@openstreetmap.org</a>></span><br>
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1. Re: Rartel - Telespazio si Altele (Ciuperca Claudiu)<br>
2. Re: OSM romania ca ONG (alex-map)<br>
3. Re: Rartel - Telespazio si Altele (alex-map)<br>
4. Re: Rartel - Telespazio (Eddy Petri?or)<br>
5. Re: Rartel - Telespazio (Francisc TOTH)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:07:13 +0300<br>
From: Ciuperca Claudiu <<a href="mailto:edic@upcnet.ro">edic@upcnet.ro</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ro] Rartel - Telespazio si Altele<br>
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hmmm am inteles ... cu toate ca, dupa parerea mea, o astfel de abordare<br>
e imposibil de detectat .. consider aprecierea corecta si cinstita deci<br>
metoda cu harta de hartie pica.<br>
Cred ca cea mai ieftina solutie este cumpararea unor "Harti cadastrale<br>
ale oraselor" facute la scara, banuiesc ca sunt mai ieftine de<br>
cumparat(de la OCPI sau cum s-o mai chema acu) oricum ideea crearii unui<br>
ONG e superba si subscriu acestei idei mai ales ca in felul acesta se<br>
pot actiona niste parghii pe la guvern sau parlament (pe la comisiile de<br>
IT si Telecomunicatii).<br>
Ar mai fi o solutie de adunat track-uri ... da' asta e mai complicata si<br>
aici mai am oleaca de munca Oricum atunci cand voi avea solutia o voi<br>
pune la dispozitie tuturor (sper sa imi iasa de aia nu dau detalii).<br>
Pana una alta raman la metoda de masurare clasica cu pasu/masina si<br>
gps-ul(acu am 2 sic).<br>
PS ma bag sa completez /corectez Braila daca ma ajutati cu date (am<br>
inteles ca cei de la norc v-au pus la dispozitie track-urile)<br>
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Ciprian Talaba wrote:<br>
> Salutare Claudiu,<br>
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> 2009/9/25 Ciuperca Claudiu <<a href="mailto:edic@upcnet.ro">edic@upcnet.ro</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:edic@upcnet.ro">edic@upcnet.ro</a>>><br>
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> scump al dracu ... trebuie facuta pusculita... poate in 100 de ani<br>
> strangem .. pana la urma muschiu si mintea noastra trebuie puse la<br>
> munca<br>
> sa nascocim solutii sa facem harta.<br>
> Dar am o intrebare .. daca sa presupunem ca as avea o harta de<br>
> hartie ..<br>
> la scara ... si cateva intersectii ale caror coordonate le cunosc<br>
> e vreo<br>
> problema daca , folosind o rigla, compas, masuratori pe harta si<br>
> punctele susmentionate plus calculele matematice de rigoare m-as apuca<br>
> sa desenez restul hartii? bineinteles asta e o intrebare strict<br>
> ipotetica.<br>
><br>
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> Da, ceea ce ai face in acest caz este sa derivi date dintr-o sursa<br>
> protejata de copyright, ceea ce ar putea fi OK pentru anumite scopuri,<br>
> nu si pentru OSM. Pentru a putea utiliza acea harta in scopul crearii<br>
> de date pentru OSM este nevoie de acceptul autorilor hartii (ceea ce<br>
> poate fi usor sau nu) si apoi exista solutii mai simple pentru a<br>
> digitiza acea harta.<br>
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> Numai bine,<br>
> Ciprian<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:35:10 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: alex-map <<a href="mailto:alea@email.ro">alea@email.ro</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ro] OSM romania ca ONG<br>
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Salut Francisc,<br>
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Sigur ca ai un drept la replica, nici eu nu vreau sa ma bag intr-o<br>
treaba care nu are posibilitate de iesire. Daca se ajunge la<br>
infiintarea asociatiei trebuie clarificate toate lucrurile care ne<br>
sunt incerte.<br>
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Din punctul meu de verere un membru "afiliat" isi pierde calitatea de<br>
membru o data cu ne plata cotizatiei de exemplu. Un membru fondator si-<br>
ar putea pierde calitatea de mebru daca nu participa la doua eventual<br>
trei adunari generale consecutive, sau printr-o cerere scrisa (desi<br>
aici nu stiu unde trebuie depusa la asociatie , la tibunal).<br>
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Cele bune<br>
Alex.<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:50:49 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: alex-map <<a href="mailto:alea@email.ro">alea@email.ro</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ro] Rartel - Telespazio si Altele<br>
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Poti sa te apuci de Braila cu incredere, deocamdata este o problemea<br>
cu afisarea trackurilor GPS la OSM, problema care se va remedia in<br>
cateva zile (vezi osm wiki).<br>
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cele bune<br>
Alex.<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:59:35 +0300<br>
From: Eddy Petri?or <<a href="mailto:eddy.petrisor@gmail.com">eddy.petrisor@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ro] Rartel - Telespazio<br>
To: OSM Romania <<a href="mailto:talk-ro@openstreetmap.org">talk-ro@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
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Asztalos Attila a scris:<br>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>> Subject:<br>
>> [Talk-ro] Rartel - Telespazio<br>
>> From:<br>
>> Marinel <<a href="mailto:marinel.ionel@libero.it">marinel.ionel@libero.it</a>><br>
>> Date:<br>
>> Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:03:44 +0200<br>
>> To:<br>
>> OSM Romania <<a href="mailto:talk-ro@openstreetmap.org">talk-ro@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
>><br>
>> To:<br>
>> OSM Romania <<a href="mailto:talk-ro@openstreetmap.org">talk-ro@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Am gasit o firma in RO ce colaboreaza cu Telespazio<br>
>> (<a href="http://www.telespazio.com/international.html" target="_blank">http://www.telespazio.com/international.html</a>) si au foto satelitare<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.rartel.ro/obs_pamant_rom.html" target="_blank">http://www.rartel.ro/obs_pamant_rom.html</a><br>
>><br>
>> ii cunoaste cineva pe acesti domni sa vedem dac nu ne pot pune la<br>
>> dispozitie niste foto aeriene?<br>
> Nu cred ca firma respectiva isi permite sa devieze prea mult de la<br>
> politica / preturile Telespazio. Iar la o examinare mai atenta a<br>
> site-ului, se pot gasi atat lista de preturi aproximativa<br>
> (<a href="http://www.telespazio.com/ge_docs/ik-ge_price_list.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.telespazio.com/ge_docs/ik-ge_price_list.pdf</a>) cat si licenta<br>
> sub care vand datele<br>
> (<a href="http://www.telespazio.com/ge_docs/Terms_Conditions.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.telespazio.com/ge_docs/Terms_Conditions.pdf</a>). Referitor la<br>
> prima, a privire superficiala sugereaza ca am avea nevoies de circa 12.5<br>
> USD pe kilometru patrat, dar nu mai putin de 612.5 USD per site (oras?),<br>
> iar referitor la a doua, IANAL (de cand astept sa scriu asta... :P), dar<br>
> e plina de tot felul de cuvinte urate, ingrijorator de aproape de<br>
> termeni ca "derivative work".<br>
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M-am uitat pu?in ?i exist? ni?te lucruri destul de clare ?n termenii<br>
respectivi:<br>
<br>
1) crearea de h?r?i vectoriale pe baza imaginilor este (explicit)<br>
permis? (eviden?ierea e a mea):<br>
<br>
t<br>
2.2 Right to develop EP. Telespazio hereby grants to the User the<br>
right to develop EP from the licensed SD/P for its internal purpose.<br>
EP that contain any imagery data from the licensed SD/P require an<br>
ad-hoc agreement with Telespazio before dissemination to any third<br>
party.<br>
...<br>
EP that do not contain any imagery data from the licensed SD/P are not<br>
subject to ad-hoc agreements with Telespazio. A few not exhaustive<br>
examples are: *derived vector map products* (features, buildings,<br>
waterlines, centrelines, classification), derived digital elevation<br>
model or digital terrain model products, text/tabular products.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
2) Problema e c? un server WMS public ar fi problematic pentru c? ar<br>
putea fi interpretat ca o metod? de distribu?ie (imaginile ajung la<br>
oricine din internet) :<br>
<br>
2.1 License to Use. Telespazio hereby grants to the User a sine die,<br>
nontransferable and nonexclusive license to Use, solely for internal<br>
purposes by User?s business, the SD/P. *This license does not include<br>
the right to copy* (save as otherwise set out herein), *disclose,<br>
publish, print, format, sell, assign, dispose of, lease, sublicense,<br>
distribute or transfer the SD/P or to use the same in any manner or for<br>
any purpose not expressly authorized* by this License. Telespazio and/or<br>
Satellite/Ground Station Operators reserve all intellectual property<br>
rights not expressly granted to User hereunder. *Any right of sub-<br>
licensing is expressly excluded.*<br>
<br>
<br>
> ...so, cine doreste sa porneasca la colecta cu caciula in mana...?<br>
<br>
Dac? asta se ?nt?mpl?, va fi foarte greu dpdv legal s? se fac? ceva cu<br>
ele dac? nu avem ONG-ul ?i acesta nu este cel ce face achizi?ia.<br>
<br>
<br>
E o chestie interesant?, se pare c? au ?ncercat s? se apere de Google,<br>
dar au reu?it s? exclud? ?i OSM (?any internet search product or<br>
service that is free to end users?) ?i oricine care ofer? orice date<br>
derivate care *nu* con?in imaginile.<br>
<br>
(d) *Any web posting is prohibited by any individual or commercial<br>
entity that operates or otherwise provides any internet search<br>
product or service that is free to end users* or for which the fee(s)<br>
for the use of such product or service is less than one hundred and<br>
fifty dollars ($150) per annum. Use any Product for ?Web<br>
Services.? A Web Service is defined as a web-based service which<br>
allows the user to view and/or use imagery and further general<br>
derived products (not containing the original data) through a<br>
secured, password protected website, without downloading the<br>
imagery.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Concluzia mea (IANAL) c? pentru a face ceva cu ei, trebuie clarificat?<br>
?nt?i licen?a pentru a permite explicit utilizarea inten?ionat? de noi<br>
?i apoi s? vedem ce ?i cum.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Regards,<br>
EddyP<br>
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"Imagination is more important than knowledge" A.Einstein<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:14:53 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: Francisc TOTH <<a href="mailto:yo6own@yahoo.com">yo6own@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ro] Rartel - Telespazio<br>
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Balonul la noi e problematic, fiindca peste 80m nu putem sa-l lansam fara autorizatii. Sunt curios insa cat de mult se poate fotografia cu un balon captiv. E suficient.<br>
Am studiat un pic balonul cu aer cald, si nu e o optiune, nu poate ridica suficient payload. Balonul cu hidrogen ar fi bun(H e mai ieftin decat He) dar apare un fenomen de electrizare, descarcari electrostatice, si balonul pocneste relativ repede.<br>
He e bun, dar in conditiile in care nu putem ridica decat ceva captiv la 80m, o optiune mult mai economica si care poate ridica mai mult decat balonul este zmeul(aripa portanta).<br>
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--- On Fri, 9/25/09, otzy_007 <<a href="mailto:otzy007@gmail.com">otzy007@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> From: otzy_007 <<a href="mailto:otzy007@gmail.com">otzy007@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ro] Rartel - Telespazio<br>
> To: "OSM Romania" <<a href="mailto:talk-ro@openstreetmap.org">talk-ro@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
> Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 8:55 PM<br>
> ceva de genul <a href="http://www.go4it.ro/curiozitati/au-facut-poze-din-spatiu-cu-doar-500-de-lei-4893839/" target="_blank">http://www.go4it.ro/curiozitati/au-facut-poze-din-spatiu-cu-doar-500-de-lei-4893839/</a><br>
> sau <a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/Go4itro-Stiri/%7E3/KVFcXpbJnBY/" target="_blank">http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Go4itro-Stiri/~3/KVFcXpbJnBY/</a><br>
> nu e mai ieftin? Sau nu poate fi realizat la noi?<br>
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