<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>With some people you can't have a good conversation !<br></div>Everyone worked hard on Romanian map, but some have gone wild ! Sorein is one guy that you can't have a <span style="direction:ltr" class="">discussion</span> with him ! Some of us from our group were taking his side from a point of view, but it's clear that you can't have something to discuss with this man ! DWG tried and no success !<br><br></div>Now we are "two teams" in Romanian editors ! One that using "old stuff, or old point of view" and one team who maintain the map updated, and made some small changes to the road structure in a couple of cases because of routing purposes . Romanian road network infrastructure is not the same like in central and western europe ( and we made some adjustments), and there are a lot of National and County roads that are not paved at all, or not well. We've downgraded the category, without damaging the routing , because all the routing software does not calculate the route with the quality of paving, and all of them are set default to route on unpaved roads. More than 80% of users, does not configure the routing parameters in navigation software, so we've prevented the high routing priority on that roads !<br><br></div>In words is difficult to understand the scenarious.... but when we meet and show the roads, the alternatives, and made some tests, all people will understand ! OSM uses 6 road category for main routing, Here 4 road category for main routing, TomTom just 3 ! Some navigation software does not want to adjust routing engine for the 6 road category like in OSM ! IMHO , in OSM there are to many :D !!!<br><br></div><div>For example, Braila City.... all the streest in that city were Tertiary or Secondary for a many years ! I was the only one that I've corrected that , because like I said, no one is maintaing the map , but some of us, are just talking most of the time, agains me and Razvan , and nothing new on the map from them , they are not helping , somehow it's like they are against us, agains off all the work done in Romanian map, made by all of us !<br></div><div>Maybe there is a problem because me and Razvan are working with and for Here Maps , and we are using their resources to gather and collect data for our map ! We are making a double job, one for Here Maps, and one for OpenStreetMap !<br></div><div>Razvan every day look into the history to check if someone is deleting relevant data, or by mistake , does something wrong, we are looking for CLC problems, and examples can go on ! How many of us in talk group are doing the same ?!?!?! <br></div><div><br></div>Now, if a couple of years ago, OSM was a Geographic Book ( Atlas Geografic) for a lot of people, now the main purpose is Routing Navigation, finding places, etc.... Now OSM is more than, what some of us are thinking !<br><br></div>Have a good day !<br><div><div><div><div><br><br><br><div><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-03-18 15:04 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste Holcroft [via GIS] <span dir="ltr"><<a href="/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5870176&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]</a>></span>:<br><blockquote style='border-left:2px solid #CCCCCC;padding:0 1em' class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Please have a discussion with data working group : <a href="http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5870165&i=0" rel="nofollow" link="external" target="_blank">[hidden email]</a>
<br><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data_working_group" rel="nofollow" link="external" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data_working_group</a><br><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes" rel="nofollow" link="external" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes</a><br><br>Personal point of view :
<br> * a private message, even rude, shouldn't copied in public mailing list,
<br> * Romanian contributors should meet more (beer is a good start, vin
<br>din casa, tuica or visinata is good too), face to face conversation
<br>prevents problems.
<br><br>OSM is a good community project, Romanians are very welcoming people in
<br>a nice country, there is no reason not to be a success. Keep on fighting.
<br><br>(sorry for using English, my Romanian writing is too bad)
<br><span class=""><br>Le 18/03/2016 12:04, Rădulescu Răzvan a écrit :
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<br>> Sorein s-a intors cu ale lui dejectii dintr-un creier bolnav...
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<br>> Asta ca sa vada cui i-e dor de el...
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<br>> Atîta sănătate să ai tu, țigane, și atîta parte de cine și-e mai drag,
<br>> după spurcăciunile pe care le debitezi! Rușine să-ți fie, porcule!
<br>> EU am impus folosirea diacritcelor pe porțiunea românească, porcule!
<br>> EU i-am speriat pe niște idioți ca tine, care desenau cîte o stradă pe
<br>> fiecare sens în oraș (dublau toate străzile) și puneau pe hartă toți
<br>> pomișorii și toate cotețele de găini.
<br>> Bineînțeles că, fiind niște idioți ca tine și ca ceilalți din gașca
<br>> ta, ați făcut haită. Asta e lumea în care trăim și pe care voi,
<br>> gloatele, o împuțiți. Gloatele se înhăitează repede, oamenii cu carte
<br>> stau împrăștiați. Din cauza voastră o să crape OSM curînd.
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