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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Regarding the copyright message -
surely they'll need some sort of base map to place all of these
POIs on. Where do they get a map that doesn't require any
attribution?<br>
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On 01/06/2017 13:17, Colin Paton wrote:<br>
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<div>I went along briefly yesterday to the "Wayfinding session"
to see what it's all about. My understanding is:</div>
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<div>- Edinburgh council is spending too much money on Ordnance
survey maps, so they've decided to have their own royalty free
map. This map will be used to provide graphics for on street
signs, event maps, tourist maps given away by hotels etc.</div>
<div>- The sessions were to encourage people with knowledge of
Edinburgh to place stickers on a large map, to show places of
interest. Someone was from a cycling organisation, so it was
suggested that cycle parking could be stickered.<br>
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<div>- The paper map would be photographed, and then taken away
and drawn onto their computer.</div>
<div>- Two people from Lothian buses were there. They pointed
out that rather than place stickers of bus stop locations they
would email an Excel spreadsheet of bus stops, and the City ID
people said they would enter that into their "system". They
also pointed out that Lothian buses had a detailed map from
their own survey. However, there seemed to be politics
involved - in that the City ID people were working with
Transport for Edinburgh which (if I understood correctly) was
a separate organisation from Lothian Buses, therefore couldn't
use the map.</div>
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<div>- City ID appear to be primarily graphic designers who
will design the look of these maps.</div>
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<div>- It appeared that the mapping would be done using Adobe
Illustrator using different layers to represent different
items. I asked if they used tools like ArcGIS, but I
understood they hadn't heard of this.</div>
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<div>I raised the point that OSM already appeared to have the
data they wanted and it seemed a waste of money to resurvey
the whole of Edinburgh. The objections were:</div>
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<div>"The licence for OSM isn't compatible with what we are
trying to do... (Questioning by me)....yes - it requires a
copyright message to be placed on the maps so we cannot use
it"</div>
<div>"Open street map will become out of date whereas our map
will be added to and kept up to date by the council and
stakeholders with an interest in mapping Edinburgh"</div>
<div>"The council cannot control what is added to OSM".</div>
<div>"The council will not own the data in OSM".</div>
<div>"We cannot guarantee where the OSM data has come from and
might be sued by Google and cannot prove that their data was
not used. We have been doing a street survey ourselves and
have photographs taken in the survey to show where the data
came from"</div>
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<div>I said that the MESH project had already spent a
considerable amount of time mapping Edinburgh via what I
understood to be public funding, and it seemed to be a waste
of public money to do this all again. They said "Maybe then we
can take their data".</div>
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<div>I post my understanding of the project here as I think it
would be of interest to members of this list.</div>
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<div>Colin</div>
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