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<p style="margin: 0px 5px 0px 0px;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;"> Thanks for your reply.</span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;"><br /></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px 5px 0px 0px;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">The mapper has damaged the boundary again some hours ago, I didn't fix it yet: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/27819227">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/27819227</a></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px 5px 0px 0px;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">For me it seems that the user has no clue of how to edit boundaries in OSM. Maybe someone can explain him in his mother language how to edit boundaries. </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 5px 0px 0px;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">There also seems to be a copyright issue as the mapper has used GoogleMaps as source for his edits like he stated out on the Hungarian OSM Group: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/openstreetmap-hungary/auT9SU9Y3mQ</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px 5px 0px 0px;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">Best regards,</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px 5px 0px 0px;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">Betreff: Re: [Talk-si] shifted boundaries between Slovenia, Croatia and Hungary</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 5px 0px 0px;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">Datum: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 01:22:51 +0100</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 5px 0px 0px;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">Von: Stefan Baebler <stefan.baebler@gmail.com></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 5px 0px 0px;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">An: "arch_arch@t-online.de" <arch_arch@t-online.de></span></p>
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<div dir="ltr">There is the brief discussion i had with the user foringas about his changes: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26795077">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26795077</a>
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<div>All best,</div>
<div>Štefan</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:08 AM, Stefan Baebler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stefan.baebler@gmail.com">stefan.baebler@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br />
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<div dir="ltr">Yes, i too was fixing the broken relations a while ago:
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<div>when user foringas moved the border without taking care of the relations as well.</div>
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<div>I resisted from moving the border in any way, just fixed the broken relations.</div>
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<div>The border between Croatia and Slovenia is disputed in some places, most notably the maritime border in the Adriatic sea and along the ever-shifting river meanders in Panonian plain.</div>
<div>The arbitration in The Hague is still ongoing: <a href="http://www.pca-cpa.org/showpage.asp?pag_id=1443">http://www.pca-cpa.org/showpage.asp?pag_id=1443</a></div>
<div>I suggest we wait for the outcome of arbitration instead of moving the border back and forth in a futile edit war.</div>
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<div>all best,</div>
<div>Štefan</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:13 AM, <a href="mailto:arch_arch@t-online.de">arch_arch@t-online.de</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arch_arch@t-online.de">arch_arch@t-online.de</a>></span> wrote:<br />
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><br /> Hi,<br /> <br /> can someone with local knowledge take a look at the edits of the mapper foringas? He has damaged the country boundaries between Hungary, Slovenia and Croatia several times in the last few months. He has also shifted the borderline between those countries. I can't evaluate if the changes of the country boundaries are ok or if those changes are politically motivated.<br /> <br /> boundary changes between Croatia and Slovenia: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/27773009">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/27773009</a><br /> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26795077">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26795077</a><br /> <br /> changes between Hungary and Croatia: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26772180">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26772180</a><br /> There may be other changes I didn't notice.<br /> <br /> I've already fixed some damaged boundaries [1] but I didn't revert the shifted boundaries as far as possible.<br /> <br /> Best regards,<br /> <br /> 4rch<br /> <br /> [1] <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/27811545">http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/27811545</a><br /> <br /> ----------------------------------------------------------------<br /> Mit einer kostenlosen E-Mail-Adresse von der Telekom werden Ihre Daten verschlüsselt übertragen und in Deutschland gespeichert.<br /> <a href="http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos">www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos</a><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> _______________________________________________<br /> Talk-si mailing list<br /> <a href="mailto:Talk-si@openstreetmap.org">Talk-si@openstreetmap.org</a><br /> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-si">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-si</a></blockquote>
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