<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Dear Paul,<br><br></div>Yes, HGK is the acronym for General Command of Mapping and I guess that they won't permit this situation.<br><br></div>H. Can Ünen and me are going to try finding some official answers as soon as possible.<br>
<br></div>Thanks for your warning.<br><br></div>Best,<br></div>Murat<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Paul Norman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:penorman@mac.com" target="_blank">penorman@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">> From: Paul Norman [mailto:<a href="mailto:penorman@mac.com">penorman@mac.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:08 PM<br>
> Subject: [Talk-tr] HGK source<br>
<div class="im">><br>
> In early April I noticed a number of place=village created by Muthukumar<br>
> (e.g. <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2250559178" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2250559178</a>) with<br>
> source=HGK.<br>
><br>
> At the time I wondered if they might be an import from a source that I<br>
> didn't recognize and contacted the user asking them what the source was,<br>
> but I haven't gotten a reply in the 10 days since I messaged them, so<br>
> I'm sending the question to a wider audience. Does anyone know what<br>
> source=HGK is?<br>
<br>
</div>Some checks revealed a potentially wider problem.<br>
<br>
source=HGK appears to refer to Harita Genel Komutanlığı which is the<br>
official Turkish mapping agency. They apparently have no forms of open data<br>
or other license which we could use the data.<br>
<br>
My best guess is the original source of the data is<br>
<a href="http://www.hgk.msb.gov.tr/urunler/diger/gazetteer.html" target="_blank">http://www.hgk.msb.gov.tr/urunler/diger/gazetteer.html</a>. The metadata has<br>
terms and conditions which would prevent their use in OSM.<br>
<br>
I looked at their webpage and couldn't find anything that would allow the<br>
use of their data in OSM. <a href="http://www.hgk.msb.gov.tr/yan_menu/sorular.asp#2" target="_blank">http://www.hgk.msb.gov.tr/yan_menu/sorular.asp#2</a><br>
may be relevant and based on the Bing translation it might be allowing<br>
personal use, but not reproductions.<br>
<br>
Given the above, it looks like we're not allowed to use their data in OSM<br>
and it must be redacted (removed). I propose to start doing so later this<br>
week, after contacting katpatuka, Muthukumar, and Muruganantham, the three<br>
users who have created the most source=HGK objects.<br>
<br>
There a total of 31k objects, of which 28k are version 1. Most are by<br>
katpatuka and most are place=* nodes.<br>
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