<div dir="ltr">Thanks Roman and Ali (who wrote me directly):<div><br></div><div>What I understand is that:</div><div><ul><li>ilçe is a town, or also a district within a city<br></li><li>mahalle is a neighborhood in an ilçe</li><li>semtler is also a neighborhood, not official or administrative, but rather something that residents call the area, most likely from the past when they were used as administrative units (neighborhoods)</li></ul><div>I would propose for OSM tagging the following schema:</div></div><div><ul><li>ilçe, when indicating an independent town, be tagged as place=town</li><li>ilçe, when indicating a district of a city (ie the 39 ilçe in Istanbul), be tagged as place=suburb</li><li>mahalle, which fall administratively under the districts, be tagged as place=neighbourhood</li><li>semtler, which are like neighborhoods but not administrative, be tagged as place=quarter</li></ul><div>Any disagreements/suggestions on this? I will post in the Facebook group as well to see what people think there.</div><div><br></div><div>My biggest question is whether the ilçe of Istanbul should be tagged as place=suburb or place=town (as they are now)</div><div><br></div><div>~Jeff</div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Roman Neumüller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:email@katpatuka.org" target="_blank">email@katpatuka.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Jeff,<br>
<br>
I've been mapping a lot in Turkey but can only tell for sure that<br>
<br>
* il = province (admin_level=4)<br>
* ilçe = town = district = district center (admin_level=6)<br>
* köy = village (admin_level=8)<br>
<br>
Concerning suburb/neighborhood (mahalle/semt) I'm still unsure and up to now<br>
didn't get ANY response from the Turkish community regarding classification<br>
(see <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-tr/2014-November/000362.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.or<wbr>g/pipermail/talk-tr/2014-Novem<wbr>ber/000362.html</a>)<br>
<br>
The community is not very active in the mailinglist - they may be more active in<br>
a facebook group (I don't use fb)<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/OpenStreetMapTurkey/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/OpenS<wbr>treetMapTurkey/</a><br>
<br>
Semt seems as if only being used in big cities - wikipedia calls them "quarters":<br>
<br>
* <a href="https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:T%C3%BCrkiye'deki_semtler" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>Kategori:Türkiye'deki_semtler</a><br>
* <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Quarters_in_Turkey" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>Category:Quarters_in_Turkey</a><br>
<br>
Even villages may have 1) suburbs which I give the neighborhood tag and 2) "mezra"s<br>
where I use hamlet.<br>
<br>
Yayla vary from location (no house at all) over hamlet (some houses) to suburb/village<br>
(if big like a village)<br>
<br>
Wikipedia says yayla = Plateau - in German I'd rather call them "Alm".<br>
<br>
Bucak is sort of deprecated (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucak_(administrative_unit)" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki<wbr>/Bucak_(administrative_unit)</a>)<br>
<br>
Another thing is that most villages in metropolitan municipalities have been converted<br>
to suburbs (6360 Metropolıtan Law) after 2012<br>
<br>
<a href="http://econpapers.repec.org/article/scn000raj/383.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://econpapers.repec.org/ar<wbr>ticle/scn000raj/383.htm</a><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 10:42:29 +0300, Jeff Haack <<a href="mailto:jeff.haack@hotosm.org" target="_blank">jeff.haack@hotosm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi OSMers,<br>
<br>
I'm trying to understand the placename classifications in Istanbul and how those relate to OSM tags, and hoping someone can help. In Istanbul there<br>
are ilçe (districts) and mahalle (neighborhoods). But then there are also semtler - what is the difference between mahalle and semtler?<br>
<br>
Also I'm wondering about how to tag places. From the OSM wiki it seems<br>
that districts should be place=suburb and mahalle should be<br>
place=neighborhood, but on the map the districts are usually place=town and mahalle/semtleri are either place=suburb or place=neighborhood. Is there<br>
any reason for tagging ilçe as place=town?<br>
<br>
Does anyone have a suggestion on how to formalize the tags?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jeff<br>
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