<div dir="ltr">Thanks Jeff for bringing this into our attention and Roman for looking into this. I think OSM in Turkey is still growing (rather slowly) and needs some more attention. As Roman mentioned, there is a group on Facebook where people from Turkey discuss OSM, but it is rather casual and some members do not speak English. I am an active OSM member mapping in and outside of Turkey. I am also leading efforts to translate iD to Turkish and OSM wiki into Turkish.<div><br></div><div>I've done a quick research on administrative unit system in Turkey. The document that could be used to model place classification is available <a href="https://www.csb.gov.tr/db/cbs/editordosya/Idari_Birim.pdf">here</a>. Turkish administrative system is sort of messy and complicated. I think it is important to have a discussion about place type classifications.</div><div><br></div><div>From <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place#Administratively_declared_places">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place#Administratively_declared_places</a> perspective, the following mapping sounds reasonable to me:</div><div>- place=country => ülke</div><div>- place=state => not applicable</div><div>- place=region => bölge</div><div>- place=province => il</div><div>- place=district => semt/ilçe - I think semt is a name used for "ilçe" when "ilçe" is part of the city center's administrative boundary. The following image has districts of İstanbul - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_in_Turkey#/media/File:Istanbul_location_districts.svg">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_in_Turkey#/media/File:Istanbul_location_districts.svg</a> Semt vs ilçe don't seem any different. But look at the districts of Eskişehir - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_in_Turkey#/media/File:Eski%C5%9Fehir_districts.png">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_in_Turkey#/media/File:Eski%C5%9Fehir_districts.png</a> Tepebaşı and Odunpazarı forms the city Eskişehir (marked with black border). These "semt"s are combined together under "büyükşehir belediyesi". Look at Afyonkarahisar - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_in_Turkey#/media/File:Afyonkarahisar_districts.png">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_in_Turkey#/media/File:Afyonkarahisar_districts.png</a> In this case city center only has one "semt/ilçe", which is "Afyonkarahisar merkezi". They are referred as "merkez ilçe".</div><div>- place=county => I don't think this type really applies to Turkey.</div><div>- place=municipality => This could be another source of confusion. We've had recent updates to town smaller than "ilçe", but bigger than "köy". This type could be mapped to "belde" I think.</div><div><br></div><div>Regarding <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place#Populated_settlements.2C_urban">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place#Populated_settlements.2C_urban</a></div><div>- place=city => il, şehir, even bigger metropolitan cities are could be mapped to this type.</div><div>- place=borough => I don't think this is really applicable.</div><div>- place=suburb => Again this could be used for "'ilçe" and "semt".</div><div>- place=quarter => Similar to borough, I don't think this is really applicable.</div><div>- place=neighbourhood => This is mahalle. Within "semt/ilçe" we have neighbourhoods.</div><div>- place=city_block => Doesn't really apply to Turkey.</div><div><br></div><div>Looking at <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place#Populated_settlements.2C_urban_and_rural">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place#Populated_settlements.2C_urban_and_rural</a> I can easily tell that Turkish place/administrative unit system doesn't really fit into here. Let's look at Afyonkarahisar district map again - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_in_Turkey#/media/File:Afyonkarahisar_districts.png">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_in_Turkey#/media/File:Afyonkarahisar_districts.png</a> I am from Emirdağ. It could be referred as town and district as well. My town has neighborhoods just like districts have. The municipality system is same as districts. So I think we can classify them as town and also district.</div><div>- place=town => ilçe, but rural ilçe. "Belde"s are towns that belong to another town, but bigger than a village. </div><div>- place=village => köy (doesn't have municipality, but rather part of a ilçe, just like belde)</div><div>- place=hamlet => mezra/mahalle (be aware the use of mahalle here)</div><div>- place=isolated_dwelling => could be mezra/mahalle I think.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 5:00 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:talk-tr-request@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-tr-request@openstreetmap.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send Talk-tr mailing list submissions to<br>
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Hi OSMers,<br>
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I'm trying to understand the placename classifications in Istanbul and how<br>
those relate to OSM tags, and hoping someone can help. In Istanbul there<br>
are ilçe (districts) and mahalle (neighborhoods). But then there are also<br>
semtler - what is the difference between mahalle and semtler?<br>
<br>
Also I'm wondering about how to tag places. From the OSM wiki it seems<br>
that districts should be place=suburb and mahalle should be<br>
place=neighborhood, but on the map the districts are usually place=town and<br>
mahalle/semtleri are either place=suburb or place=neighborhood. Is there<br>
any reason for tagging ilçe as place=town?<br>
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Does anyone have a suggestion on how to formalize the tags?<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Jeff<br>
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From: Roman Neumüller <<a href="mailto:email@katpatuka.org">email@katpatuka.org</a>><br>
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Hi Jeff,<br>
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I've been mapping a lot in Turkey but can only tell for sure that<br>
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* il = province (admin_level=4)<br>
* ilçe = town = district = district center (admin_level=6)<br>
* köy = village (admin_level=8)<br>
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Concerning suburb/neighborhood (mahalle/semt) I'm still unsure and up to<br>
now<br>
didn't get ANY response from the Turkish community regarding classification<br>
(see<br>
<a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-tr/2014-November/000362.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.<wbr>org/pipermail/talk-tr/2014-<wbr>November/000362.html</a>)<br>
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The community is not very active in the mailinglist - they may be more<br>
active in<br>
a facebook group (I don't use fb)<br>
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/OpenStreetMapTurkey/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/<wbr>OpenStreetMapTurkey/</a><br>
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Semt seems as if only being used in big cities - wikipedia calls them<br>
"quarters":<br>
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* <a href="https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:T%C3%BCrkiye'deki_semtler" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>Kategori:Türkiye'deki_semtler</a><br>
* <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Quarters_in_Turkey" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>Category:Quarters_in_Turkey</a><br>
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Even villages may have 1) suburbs which I give the neighborhood tag and 2)<br>
"mezra"s<br>
where I use hamlet.<br>
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Yayla vary from location (no house at all) over hamlet (some houses) to<br>
suburb/village<br>
(if big like a village)<br>
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Wikipedia says yayla = Plateau - in German I'd rather call them "Alm".<br>
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Bucak is sort of deprecated<br>
(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucak_(administrative_unit)" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/<wbr>wiki/Bucak_(administrative_<wbr>unit)</a>)<br>
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Another thing is that most villages in metropolitan municipalities have<br>
been converted<br>
to suburbs (6360 Metropolıtan Law) after 2012<br>
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<a href="http://econpapers.repec.org/article/scn000raj/383.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://econpapers.repec.org/<wbr>article/scn000raj/383.htm</a><br>
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On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 10:42:29 +0300, Jeff Haack <<a href="mailto:jeff.haack@hotosm.org">jeff.haack@hotosm.org</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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> Hi OSMers,<br>
><br>
> I'm trying to understand the placename classifications in Istanbul and<br>
> how those relate to OSM tags, and hoping someone can help. In Istanbul<br>
> there<br>
> are ilçe (districts) and mahalle (neighborhoods). But then there are<br>
> also semtler - what is the difference between mahalle and semtler?<br>
><br>
> Also I'm wondering about how to tag places. From the OSM wiki it seems<br>
> that districts should be place=suburb and mahalle should be<br>
> place=neighborhood, but on the map the districts are usually place=town<br>
> and mahalle/semtleri are either place=suburb or place=neighborhood. Is<br>
> there<br>
> any reason for tagging ilçe as place=town?<br>
><br>
> Does anyone have a suggestion on how to formalize the tags?<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Jeff<br>
<br>
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