<div>先別管政府的廣宣口號「開放資料」</div>可以比較一下台北市採用的license，與OpenStreetMap採用的license<div>你就明白為何現在不是用匯入的方式處理</div><div>而是用local knowledge建資料</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/2 pluto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pluto.tw@xuite.net" target="_blank">pluto.tw@xuite.net</a>></span><br>
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<div>台北市,明明有開放平台, 下載的 台北市-地標分類資料(201012).mdb 內就有各種商店 , 中山區有 12546 筆資料</div>
<div>包含此 po 的藥行 </div>
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<div>不明瞭的是, 要政府 open data , 而 明明有 open data 了,卻還要浪費人加去建資料 ,不能用匯入的嗎 ?</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="shangkuanlc@gmail.com" href="mailto:shangkuanlc@gmail.com" target="_blank">Liang-chih Shang Kuan</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:47 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="talk-tw@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:talk-tw@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">OSM Taiwan</a> </div>
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<div>好詳盡啊，又學到了不少</div>
<div> </div>已經到etherpad裡新增了幾個點，像是中藥行、禮儀公司等（我家旁邊是第一殯儀館，一堆這種店哈哈哈），詳情可見這篇日記 <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Shangkuanlc/diary/18743" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Shangkuanlc/diary/18743</a>
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<div>上官<br>
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Chen)<br> 4. [Proposal] Taiwan local tags (???)<br> 5.
Re: [Proposal] Taiwan local tags (Arne Goetje)<br><br><br>---------- 轉寄訊息
----------<br>From: 陳文振 <<a href="mailto:openegret@gmail.com" target="_blank">openegret@gmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:talk-tw@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-tw@openstreetmap.org</a><br>Cc:
<br>Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:07:55 +0800<br>Subject: [Talk-TW] Fwd: Talk-TW
Digest, Vol 33, Issue 23<br>> 登山社群與山難救助協會。<br>> 他們需要即時更新的圖資，而且人人有 GPS
device.<br>><br>> Regards<br>> -Rex<br>>
_______________________________________________<br>台北中山北路有個登山社團,我可能可以安排,可以請誰去推廣演講?最好是會台語的人.要平常日迥三四的晚上<br><br><br>--<br>陳文振<a href="tel:0922-521026" value="+886922521026" target="_blank">0922-521026</a><br><a href="mailto:openegret@gmail.com" target="_blank">openegret@gmail.com</a><br>
每月第一個週六免費導覽田寮洋<br>每月第三個週六免費導覽中研院<br>每月第二個週二UPTaipei電腦聚會<br><a href="http://egret-bunjinw.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://egret-bunjinw.blogspot.com/</a><br><br><br>----------
轉寄訊息 ----------<br>From: Rex Tsai <<a href="mailto:chihchun@kalug.linux.org.tw" target="_blank">chihchun@kalug.linux.org.tw</a>><br>To:
Louis Liu <<a href="mailto:pttdog@gmail.com" target="_blank">pttdog@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: OSM Taiwan
<<a href="mailto:talk-tw@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-tw@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>Date:
Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:39:08 +0800<br>Subject: Re: [Talk-TW] OSM Taiwan 的下一步<br>在
2013年2月26日下午1:52，Louis Liu <<a href="mailto:pttdog@gmail.com" target="_blank">pttdog@gmail.com</a>> 寫道：<br>><br>>
目前的 renderer 其實都有點複雜，或許支援 NGO 和其他終端使用者產生圖?<br>>
當然最後還是要交他們自己釣魚，但是初期還在克服技術難題的時候可以幫忙<br>><br>> 同時想到先前提到幹部的問題，可以先成立一個
"技術研究小組" 來搞定這些東西<br><br><br>附議成立技術小組。(Rex 是最需要被幫忙的人
:p)<br><br>Regards<br>-Rex<br><br><br>---------- 轉寄訊息 ----------<br>From:
Dennis Raylin Chen <<a href="mailto:b92612009@gmail.com" target="_blank">b92612009@gmail.com</a>><br>To: deng
dongpo <<a href="mailto:dongpo.deng@gmail.com" target="_blank">dongpo.deng@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="http://OSM.TW" target="_blank">OSM.TW</a>" <<a href="mailto:talk-tw@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-tw@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
Date:
Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:23:02 +0800<br>Subject: Re: [Talk-TW]
跟人生最後一里路有關的tag<br><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/26 deng dongpo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dongpo.deng@gmail.com" target="_blank">dongpo.deng@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">>> 先前也與上官討論到靈骨塔的tag<br>>> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcrematorium" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcrematorium</a><br>
<br>crematorium
是指火葬場，和靈骨塔完全不一樣。而靈骨塔就是墓園，只是building 型態。<br><br></blockquote>
<div>原來我搞錯了</div>
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<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">>>
不過我有個疑問：做墓地工程的可不可以用這個tag?<br>不懂這是什麼？做墓地工程的“什麼”，人嗎？ 土公仔？<br><br></blockquote>
<div> </div>我指的是墓園旁常見的包工程行
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<div>起造墓塚、撿骨，遷葬的工程 </div>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><br>local tag 一直是討論的重點<br>日本也有這樣的問題<br><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2012-February/005995.html" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2012-February/005995.html</a><br>
<br>許多tag
和台灣有關，可以直接用。<br><br>提個建議，大家是否把資料集合到pad上<br><a href="http://pad.openstreetmap.tw:9001/taiwan-local-tags" target="_blank">http://pad.openstreetmap.tw:9001/taiwan-local-tags</a><br><br>待完整了，再放上OSM
wiki，還是讓wiki連這個頁面。<br><br>＜温泉＞<br><br>温泉、源泉（提案中）<br>leisure=hot_spring<br><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring</a><br>
<br>温泉旅館<br>amenity=guest_house<br>hot_spring=yes<br><br>温泉區、温泉街<br>place=suburb<br>hot_spring=yes<br>name=北投温泉<br><br><br><br>彩券店<br>amenity=gambling
(提案中)<br>gambling=lottery (提案中)<br><br>柏青哥店<br>amenity=gambling
（提案中）<br>gambling=pachinko （提案中）<br><br>檳榔店
(建議用法，需再確認）<br>shop=deli<br>production=betel nuts<br><br>泡沬紅茶
(建議用法，需再確認）<br>shop=beverages<br>name=***<br><br>卡啦OK店（提案中）<br>amenity=karaoke_box<br><br>電子遊樂場<br>amenity=video_arcade<br><br>米店（提案檢討中）<br>shop=rice<br><br>自動碾米場<br>amenity=vending_machine<br>vending=rice_polishing<br>
<br>戶外吸煙區<br>smoking:outside=yes<br><br>路邊停車<br>parking:lane:both=left/right/both<br><span><font color="#888888"><br><br><br>dongpo<br></font></span>
<div>
<div><br><br>On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:24 PM, 李昕迪 Lee, Sin-di <<a href="mailto:mcdlee@gmail.com" target="_blank">mcdlee@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>> 借一下標題，菲律賓的朋友有整理一個頁面分門別類整理常見的 POIs<br>><br>> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Mapping_conventions" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Mapping_conventions</a><br>
><br>>
在 2013年2月26日上午9:21，Dennis Raylin Chen <<a href="mailto:b92612009@gmail.com" target="_blank">b92612009@gmail.com</a>>
寫道：<br>>> Hi Mappers<br>>><br>>>
可能大家都很熟悉圈墓園、墓地相關的tag<br>>> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dcemetery" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dcemetery</a><br>>><br>>>
先前也與上官討論到靈骨塔的tag<br>>> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcrematorium" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcrematorium</a><br>>><br>>>
不過可能不知道「禮儀公司」的tag<br>>> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dfuneral_directors" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dfuneral_directors</a><br>>><br>>>
不過我有個疑問：做墓地工程的可不可以用這個tag?<br>>><br>>><br>>>
Supaplex/Dennis<br>>><br>>>
_______________________________________________<br>>> Talk-TW mailing
list<br>>> <a href="mailto:Talk-TW@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-TW@openstreetmap.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-tw" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-tw</a><br>
>><br>><br>><br>><br>>
--<br>> 李昕迪 Lee, Sin-di | <a href="http://www.mcdlee.tw" target="_blank">http://www.mcdlee.tw</a><br>>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br><br>----------
轉寄訊息 ----------<br>From: "李昕迪 Lee, Sin-di" <<a href="mailto:mcdlee@gmail.com" target="_blank">mcdlee@gmail.com</a>><br>To: deng dongpo
<<a href="mailto:dongpo.deng@gmail.com" target="_blank">dongpo.deng@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="http://OSM.TW" target="_blank">OSM.TW</a>" <<a href="mailto:talk-tw@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-tw@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
Date:
Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:38:28 +0800<br>Subject: [Talk-TW] [Proposal] Taiwan local
tags<br>重開一個標題<br><br><a href="http://pad.openstreetmap.tw:9001/taiwan-local-tags" target="_blank">http://pad.openstreetmap.tw:9001/taiwan-local-tags</a><br><br>在
2013年2月26日下午5:09，deng dongpo <<a href="mailto:dongpo.deng@gmail.com" target="_blank">dongpo.deng@gmail.com</a>> 寫道：<br>>
local tag 一直是討論的重點<br>> 日本也有這樣的問題<br>> <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2012-February/005995.html" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2012-February/005995.html</a><br>
>
許多tag 和台灣有關，可以直接用。<br>><br>> 提個建議，大家是否把資料集合到pad上<br>> <a href="http://pad.openstreetmap.tw:9001/taiwan-local-tags" target="_blank">http://pad.openstreetmap.tw:9001/taiwan-local-tags</a><br>><br>>
待完整了，再放上OSM wiki，還是讓wiki連這個頁面。<br>><br>> ＜温泉＞<br>><br>>
温泉、源泉（提案中）<br>> leisure=hot_spring<br>> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring</a><br>><br>>
温泉旅館<br>> amenity=guest_house<br>> hot_spring=yes<br>><br>>
温泉區、温泉街<br>> place=suburb<br>> hot_spring=yes<br>>
name=北投温泉<br>><br>><br>><br>> 彩券店<br>> amenity=gambling
(提案中)<br>> gambling=lottery (提案中)<br>><br>> 柏青哥店<br>>
amenity=gambling （提案中）<br>> gambling=pachinko （提案中）<br>><br>> 檳榔店
(建議用法，需再確認）<br>> shop=deli<br>> production=betel nuts<br>><br>>
泡沬紅茶 (建議用法，需再確認）<br>> shop=beverages<br>> name=***<br>><br>>
卡啦OK店（提案中）<br>> amenity=karaoke_box<br>><br>> 電子遊樂場<br>>
amenity=video_arcade<br>><br>> 米店（提案檢討中）<br>>
shop=rice<br>><br>> 自動碾米場<br>> amenity=vending_machine<br>>
vending=rice_polishing<br>><br>> 戶外吸煙區<br>>
smoking:outside=yes<br>><br>> 路邊停車<br>>
parking:lane:both=left/right/both<br>><br>><br>><br>>
dongpo<br>><br>><br>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:24 PM, 李昕迪 Lee,
Sin-di <<a href="mailto:mcdlee@gmail.com" target="_blank">mcdlee@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>>> 借一下標題，菲律賓的朋友有整理一個頁面分門別類整理常見的 POIs<br>>><br>>>
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Mapping_conventions" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Mapping_conventions</a><br><br>--<br>李昕迪
Lee, Sin-di | <a href="http://www.mcdlee.tw" target="_blank">http://www.mcdlee.tw</a><br><br><br>---------- 轉寄訊息
----------<br>From: Arne Goetje <<a href="mailto:arne.goetje@gmail.com" target="_blank">arne.goetje@gmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:talk-tw@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-tw@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
Cc:
<br>Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:19:12 +0800<br>Subject: Re: [Talk-TW] [Proposal]
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SHA1<br><br>On 02/27/2013 01:38 PM, 李昕迪 Lee, Sin-di wrote:<br>>
重開一個標題<br>><br>> <a href="http://pad.openstreetmap.tw:9001/taiwan-local-tags" target="_blank">http://pad.openstreetmap.tw:9001/taiwan-local-tags</a><br>><br>>
在 2013年2月26日下午5:09，deng dongpo <<a href="mailto:dongpo.deng@gmail.com" target="_blank">dongpo.deng@gmail.com</a>>
寫道：<br>>> local tag 一直是討論的重點 日本也有這樣的問題<br>>> <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2012-February/005995.html" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2012-February/005995.html</a><br>
>><br>>><br>許多tag
和台灣有關，可以直接用。<br>>><br>>> 提個建議，大家是否把資料集合到pad上<br>>> <a href="http://pad.openstreetmap.tw:9001/taiwan-local-tags" target="_blank">http://pad.openstreetmap.tw:9001/taiwan-local-tags</a><br>>><br>>>
待完整了，再放上OSM wiki，還是讓wiki連這個頁面。<br>>><br>>>
＜温泉＞<br>>><br>>> 温泉、源泉（提案中） leisure=hot_spring<br>>> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring</a><br>
<br>I
added this long time ago, but didn't follow up. Sorry.<br>Question would be:
how to tag commercial hot springs and wild hot<br>springs respectively?
Commercial hot springs are generally like<br>swimming pools with private tubs,
while wild hot springs are not.<br><br>So maybe use natural=hot_spring for
wild ones and<br>amenity=guest_house, hot_spring=yes for commercial
ones.<br>leisure=hot_spring can maybe refer to public hot springs, which
are<br>like pools, but free of charge and without guest houses. (Those
are<br>rare nowadays).<br><br>Thoughts?<br><br>>><br>>> 温泉旅館
amenity=guest_house hot_spring=yes<br>>><br>>> 温泉區、温泉街
place=suburb hot_spring=yes name=北投温泉<br><br>Why do we need this? Rather tag
the hot spring locations individually,<br>not in the
area.<br><br>>><br>>><br>>> 彩券店 amenity=gambling (提案中)
gambling=lottery (提案中)<br>>><br>>> 柏青哥店 amenity=gambling （提案中）
gambling=pachinko （提案中）<br>>><br>>> 檳榔店 (建議用法，需再確認） shop=deli
production=betel nuts<br><br>Are betel nuts a delicacy nowadays? ;)<br>I would
rather classify them as road stands, since you can also buy<br>drinks and
cigarettes there, not only betel nuts.<br><br>>><br>>> 泡沬紅茶
(建議用法，需再確認） shop=beverages name=***<br><br>add beverages={tea, coffee,
soft_drinks, juice, mixed,<br>{tea|coffee|juice}_blends, ...}<br>separate
multiple values by semicolon.<br><br>Example:<br>shop=beverages<br>name=Coco
大興店<br>operator=Coco (or whatever the official name of that company
is)<br>beverages=tea_blends;coffee_blends;juice;mixed<br><br>>><br>>>
卡啦OK店（提案中） amenity=karaoke_box<br>>><br>>> 電子遊樂場
amenity=video_arcade<br>>><br>>> 米店（提案檢討中）
shop=rice<br>>><br>>> 自動碾米場 amenity=vending_machine
vending=rice_polishing<br>>><br>>> 戶外吸煙區
smoking:outside=yes<br><br>Isn't smoking only banned inside buildings? That
would make the tag<br>obsolete, no? Smoking is still allowed outside anywhere,
isn't it?<br><br>>><br>>> 路邊停車
parking:lane:both=left/right/both<br><br>Aren't there tags available for
parking lanes already? Mark them<br>individually alongside the
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