<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">And so it begins.  <a href="https://newmassexits.com/"><span style="font-family:arial narrow,sans-serif">https://newmassexits.com/</span></a></div></div><div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"></div></div><div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">(Youtube of a public meeting <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7K5e6SbuuE"><span style="font-family:arial narrow,sans-serif">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7K5e6SbuuE</span></a>) <br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><div id="gmail-sppb-addon-1573236241722" class="gmail-clearfix" style="box-sizing:border-box"><div class="gmail-sppb-addon gmail-sppb-addon-feature gmail-lt-our-value-item" style="box-sizing:border-box"><div class="gmail-sppb-addon-content gmail-sppb-text-center" style="box-sizing:border-box;text-align:center"><div class="gmail-sppb-media-content" style="box-sizing:border-box"><div class="gmail-sppb-addon-text" style="box-sizing:border-box"> </div></div></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div id="gmail-sppb-addon-wrapper-1574365128061" class="gmail-sppb-addon-wrapper" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 30px 40px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:300;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><div id="gmail-sppb-addon-1574365128061" class="gmail-clearfix" style="box-sizing:border-box"><div class="gmail-sppb-addon gmail-sppb-addon-raw-html gmail-lt-our-value-item" style="box-sizing:border-box"><div class="gmail-sppb-addon-content" style="box-sizing:border-box"><h5 style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:Montserrat,sans-serif;font-weight:500;line-height:25px;color:rgb(43,182,115);margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;font-size:16px;text-transform:capitalize">CONSTRUCTION START DATES <br></h5><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px">October 18, 2020 - State Route 140 (COMPLETE)</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px">October 25, 2020 - Interstate 195 (COMPLETE)</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px">November 23, 2020 - State Route 25 (COMPLETE)</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px">November 30, 2020 - State Route 3</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px">December 13, 2020 - US Route 6</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px">December 13, 2020 - Interstate 90</p></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-left:80px"><a href="https://newmassexits.com//#it-schedule"><span style="font-family:arial narrow,sans-serif">https://newmassexits.com//#it-schedule</span></a></div></blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">A year ago</span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"> </span>Greg Troxel <<a href="mailto:gdt@lexort.com">gdt@lexort.com</a>> wrote:</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"></span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Having pondered, I'm coming around to the view that if there is no<br>support in navigation apps for old numbers, then there is very likely no<br>real benefit to keeping them, compared to effort that could do other<br>mapping things.  (But it's certainly legit to do if somebody is into<br>it.)</span></blockquote><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"></span> <br></div><div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">I would disagree, if someone is researching something, having the old exit numbers in the data even if not in the nav app and not used by any render still allows them to determine that New 8 is old 3 and Old 8 is new 48 so that 8 is ambiguous in a text without a date.<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"> Rule - "Don't tag for a specific render"<br></div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"></span>
I searched a bit and found no 'old exit' tagging.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Perhaps since most regions are so far ahead of Mass they will already have taken down their Old Exit signs by now, so they might be removed from OSM on the "map what's visibly signed" rule? <br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">(Which i would hold to be an error; old_ref historic data remembers what used to be signed, and need not be currently signed as Old.)<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">(<i>I am saddened that we haven't captured the old exit numbers elsewhere even if the signs were gone before OSM started. Westbrook Exit 48 will always be Exit 8 in our hearts.</i> )<br></div></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

It seems like old_ref= is the obvious approach; that key is basically<br>
documented as "means like ref= but is what ref= used to be".<br>
</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><ul><li>Is this a confirmable plan?</li></ul></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><ul><li>Do we have a ruling on whether we have to go out and actually see the new signage for copyright purposes, or can we rely upon MassDOT progress reports?</li></ul></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"> From the useful FAQ (link above) - <br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><div id="gmail-sppb-addon-wrapper-1579031713651" class="gmail-sppb-addon-wrapper" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:300;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(64,112,96);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><div id="gmail-sppb-addon-1579031713651" class="gmail-clearfix" style="box-sizing:border-box"><div class="gmail-sppb-addon gmail-sppb-addon-feature gmail-sppb-text-left gmail-lt-video-content-list-green" style="box-sizing:border-box;text-align:left;color:black;padding-top:20px;padding-bottom:20px;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(208,208,208);font-weight:600;background:rgb(215,230,225) none repeat scroll 0% 0%"><div class="gmail-sppb-addon-content gmail-sppb-text-left" style="box-sizing:border-box;text-align:left"><div class="gmail-sppb-media" style="box-sizing:border-box;overflow:hidden;margin-top:0px"><div class="gmail-sppb-media-body" style="box-sizing:border-box;overflow:hidden"><div class="gmail-sppb-media-content" style="box-sizing:border-box"><h3 class="gmail-sppb-addon-title gmail-sppb-feature-box-title gmail-sppb-media-heading" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:Montserrat,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:1.1;color:inherit;margin:0px 0px 5px;font-size:20px;text-transform:uppercase">WHY ARE THE EXIT NUMBERS CONTINUING FROM I-395 THROUGH I-290?</h3><div class="gmail-sppb-addon-text" style="box-sizing:border-box">MassDOT is continuing the I-395 numbering along I-290 to replicate the present exit numbering, which is continuous from Webster to Marlborough. As part of this project, the existing mileposts on I-290 will be replaced with ‘dual’ mile markers showing mileage for both I-395 and I-290<br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">I have been on many a dual-shielded interstate and have never noticed dual mileage markers.  Is this USDOT/FHA compliant? <br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">AFAIK elsewhere the milemarkers and exit numbers follow whichever interstate is considered more-major or the "through route".</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">If only the milemarkers are dual, this may not affect OSM?</div><br></div><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Bill Ricker<br><a href="mailto:bill.n1vux@gmail.com" target="_blank">bill.n1vux@gmail.com</a><div><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux</a> <br></div></div></div></div>