<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">An update on our discussion about cycle tagging: the OSM cycle map stylesheet has been updated, and it looks beautiful.<div><br></div><div>See: <a href="http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2008/08/17/hill-colouring-on-the-cycle-map/">http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2008/08/17/hill-colouring-on-the-cycle-map/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Now you can tell the difference between streets that are part of a cycle route tagged with lcn=yes (rendered with highlighting), those that have designated cycle lanes tagged with cycleway=lane (rendered with blue outlines), and those that have both. When you're zoomed out, however, only the cycle routes are shown, not any streets that have cycle lanes but aren't tagged with lcn.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Alan</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Aug 12, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Alan McConchie wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>For these "class III" bike routes, I have just been tagging them with lcn=yes and lcn_ref=## if the route has a name or number. Even if they're not part of any cycle network, they're at least officially condoned by the local authorities (if they've got green bike signs) so I figure that is sufficient for the lcn tag. The lcn tag alone will also get rendered on the OSM cycle map.</div><div><br></div>And regarding getting cycle map tiles rendered, just ask the maintainer Andy Allan (CC'ed in this email) and he will start rendering any area you are tagging. Check out Washington D.C. or the major Canadian cities (Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver) for good North American examples that are already getting rendered.<div><br></div><div>Alan<br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Aug 12, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Alan Brown wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I've been working on something similar for San Jose ... I've been working on the seperate cycle tracks, but I'll eventually get to the roads.<br><br>Are there any server set up there rendering North American (or, at least, Bay Area) tiles similar to the OSM cycle map?<br><br><a href="http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/osm/">http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/osm/</a><br><br>I'd also be curious - does mapnik have the ability to render partially transparent PNGS, to use as an overlay?<br><br><br></div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">----- Original Message ----<br>From: will law <<a href="mailto:williumbillium@gmail.com">williumbillium@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Karl Newman <<a href="mailto:siliconfiend@gmail.com">siliconfiend@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:talk-us@openstreetmap.org">talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a><br>Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:08:27 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Bicycle facility tags (Class III "bike route")<br><br><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Karl Newman<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:siliconfiend@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:siliconfiend@gmail.com">siliconfiend@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; "><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div class="Ih2E3d" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:11 PM,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mike.onines@juno.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mike.onines@juno.com">mike.onines@juno.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mike.onines@juno.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mike.onines@juno.com">mike.onines@juno.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<div class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; ">Class I is the separated bike path, with a physical separation between the bicycle path and vehicle traffic, or on a route which other vehicle traffic doesn't follwo. This one is easy, you trace in the path, and make it highway=cycleway; cycleway=track. It's just the same as drawing in separate roads for divided roads.<br><br>Class II is the bike lane with its own lane markings, but it is immediately adjacent the vehicle lanes. This also seems to be pretty clear: just add a cycleway=lane tag to the road it is part of, right?<br><br>Class III is a "shared use" facility with the cars, it just has the green "bicycle route" signs occasionally. Hopefully it has a wide outside lane, but not always. How do you put this one in? do you add a bicycle=designated tag to the road, or what?<br></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I have been classifying Class I & II cycleways in San Francisco using the above method. I haven't got on to the Class III type but bicycle=designated seems appropriate to me. </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; "><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I think your suggestions line up with how I would tag it, too. I'm curious where you heard about the Class I, II, III designations, though. I'm a California native and occasional bike rider and I've never heard of these.<br><br>Karl</div></blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Here's the detail on their classification in California. I'm not sure if the same is used elsewhere in the US though:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=shc&group=00001-01000&file=890-894.2">http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=shc&group=00001-01000&file=890-894.2</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Will</div></div></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-us mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org">Talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-us mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org">Talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a><br>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us<br></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>