<br clear="all">i think that more than a tool there should be a focus on a way to evaluate data that is transparent. whether it is the state of arkansas or the new tiger data is how the data is processed and which set of data is decided on as the most accurate. the current model relies on the community to review data and the wiki wars to settle the question of which data is "best". but that will become more problematic to deal with as the amount of data grows. not to mention, how do you deal with information that is no longer there (an abandoned street or changed alignment) but still has relevance. <div>
<br></div><div>transparency ought to be a concern. if all of the data is available, with one map presented to the casual user, the more committed members of the community could actually dig deeper and examine the differences between say the tiger data, the reports from the community, the streets reported by the local government, and the state or any other group or entity that is reporting. the problem then becomes a question of processing information and doing so in a clear transparent way that mediates concerns between usability and integrity of the data.</div>
<div><br></div><div>joe woycke</div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Ian Dees <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ian.dees@gmail.com">ian.dees@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:55 AM, Frederik Ramm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_blank">frederik@remote.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Ian,<div><br>
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Ian Dees wrote:<br>
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I got the impression after SotM US that there was a huge interest in doing imports correctly. For me, correctly means the following:<br>
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0. Discuss with community (don't import if no community exists)<br>
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1. Get permission<br>
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1a. Discuss with community (don't import if no community exists)<div><br>
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2. Convert to OSM format<br>
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2a. Discuss with community (don't import if no community exists)<div><br>
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3. Compare to existing data<br>
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3a. Work with community (make tools that let LOCAL community do this comparison)<div><br>
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4. Upload to the data<br>
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no:<br>
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4. provide tools/mechanism to let community upload the data in their area of interest. If no community exists, do no upload data.<br>
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I think that far too much weight is put on the technical side here. In a place with a thriving community, it may not take more than a WMS server to get the "import" going. In a place without a thriving community, NOBODY NEEDS A (third party) IMPORT - the import will only make it harder for a community to form.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree, but in places that do have a community, I think a tool would be helpful. That's why I asked about brainstorming for an import tool, not brainstorming for community. While that's extremely (and much more) important, we did a lot of that during SotM US and the need for a tool like this was identified -- especially when the 2010 Tiger data comes out.</div>
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