Indeed, I think it's long overdue that we revisit the issue, though I would propose that we find a way to make this fit into the existing administrative boundary structure we use for other, similar administrative regions, such as cities, counties, states and countries.<div>
<br></div><div><div>Essentially, the reason I really don't like the aboriginal lands tag is two pronged:</div><div><br></div><div>Various degree of tribal control is glossed over. My major beef with this gross oversimplification is that tagging tribal areas the same way we would a curiosity of nature trivializes and misrepresents what is much more significantly an administrative boundary of variable significance. You have everything from small, relatively subjugated nations that have roughly the same status as an incorporated town all the way up to tribes that have their own customs checkpoints with the surrounding region, and everything in between. Ramifications of entering or leaving such a region is much closer to that of crossing any other political boundary than it is crossing a land management boundary (like a National Forest or State Park).</div>
<div><br></div><div>We're talking about people and authority, not land and resource management, for the most part. What makes American and Australian aboriginals so special that they get a rather dismissive tagging scheme, whereas North Ireland, Wales and Scotland don't?</div>
<br>On Monday, December 17, 2012, Mikel Maron wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
<div><span>This is what I've found in the Wiki. An old recommendation and discussion, but useful re-starting point</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif">
<span> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Daboriginal_lands" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Daboriginal_lands</a></span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Paul Johnson <<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'baloo@ursamundi.org');" target="_blank">baloo@ursamundi.org</a>><br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [Talk-us] Tribal boundaries<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div><div dir="ltr">How do we handle tribal administrative boundaries? This is kind of a big one for the US, Canada and Australia..</div>
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Serge,<br><br>
<u></u> <u></u>This is a
good idea.<br>
<u></u> <u></u>I have a
large file of data from the Acoma tribe, but my efforts to negotiate the
import wiki have been fruitless. I can't made heads or tails of it.<br>
<u></u> <u></u>Further, I
don't know if it's the kind of data we want (though they say it is public
domain and gave permission in writing). It is road center lines for the
whole reservation. I remember a remark somewhere in this forum that
center lines are not the best data. At any rate, I'm not a good judge of
whether or not it is what we want.<br>
<u></u> <u></u>In
addition, I've already done work on the main roads, though often I'm
lacking a name or number.<br>
<u></u> <u></u>And, I
don't have tools to exmine a data file to see if it is congruent with
what OSM can use.<br>
<u></u> <u></u>So, for
many reasons, having a knowledgeable group take this on seems to me like
a great idea.<br><br>
Best,<br><br>
Charlotte<br><br>
At 06:42 AM 12/17/2012, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Folks,<br><br>
I know what it's like to be excited about OSM, and I know what it's<br>
like to be frustrated with OSM, struggling with low data quality, or<br>
lack of data altogether.<br><br>
And then you get access to a large dataset, and you know that having<br>
it in OSM would improve things. It would improve the quality, and<br>
maybe even get people mapping. At the same time, I think many of you<br>
have seen the damage that bad imports can do.<br><br>
The result is that folks like myself and others are frustrated by
the<br>
import process, and folks who have good, useful datasets are
frstrated<br>
by the import process.<br><br>
So I'm proposing a new committee, run by the US Chapter, to help
guide<br>
imports and large edits.<br><br>
This will give step by step guidance to those who want to import
data,<br>
and offer the larger community time to review and provide
feedback.<br><br>
When I helped create the US Chapter several years ago, this was one
of<br>
the main reasons I thought it should exist, but I think there's<br>
finally the amount of data and interest to justify it.<br><br>
What do folks think?<br><br>
- Serge<br><br>
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