<div dir="ltr">The same one. It also says to look at the diagram for examples, and shows turns into the nearest available lane.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Anthony <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:osm@inbox.org" target="_blank">osm@inbox.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Heh, by the way, I just looked at the 2012 Florida Driver's Handbook<br>
(page 32). It explicitly says "A left turn may be completed in any<br>
lane lawfully available, or safe, for the desired direction of<br>
travel."<br>
<br>
I'm not sure which driver's manual you were looking at.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Anthony <<a href="mailto:osm@inbox.org">osm@inbox.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> "You turn into the corresponding lane after a turn in Florida," No.<br>
> While the broader point is arguable, what you said there is absolutely<br>
> wrong.<br>
><br>
> "The driver of a vehicle intending to turn left at any intersection<br>
> shall approach the intersection in the extreme left-hand lane lawfully<br>
> available to traffic moving in the direction of travel of such<br>
> vehicle, and, after entering the intersection, the left turn shall be<br>
> made so as to leave the intersection in a lane lawfully available to<br>
> traffic moving in such direction upon the roadway being entered."<br>
> (<a href="http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.151.html" target="_blank">http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.151.html</a>)<br>
><br>
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Paul Johnson <<a href="mailto:baloo@ursamundi.org">baloo@ursamundi.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Looking through the "making turns" section of the Florida driver's manual,<br>
>> the maneuver NE2 proposes and the argument you're giving to explain it still<br>
>> doesn't work. You turn into the corresponding lane after a turn in Florida,<br>
>> no lane changes permitted in the intersection. You can only turn left into<br>
>> the farthest left lane without changing lanes in the intersection. It's on<br>
>> page 30 of the Florida driver's manual.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Russ Nelson <<a href="mailto:nelson@crynwr.com">nelson@crynwr.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> I think that what he would say to the judge, when defending his<br>
>>> traffic ticket in court, was that he *did* make a left ... and then a<br>
>>> quick right. Since at no time did he move against the flow of traffic,<br>
>>> he might prevail. There's a traffic light at that intersection, so it<br>
>>> seems safe enough, if a bit unconventional.<br>
>>><br>
>>> But isn't that our beef with NE2? That he makes edits which he thinks<br>
>>> are obvious, but which we think are unconventional?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Paul Johnson writes:<br>
>>> > So he's conveniently ignoring the left turn only arrow there preventing<br>
>>> a<br>
>>> > straight-on movement?<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Richard Welty<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:rwelty@averillpark.net">rwelty@averillpark.net</a>>wrote:<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > > NE2 asked me to share this diary entry with the list:<br>
>>> > ><br>
>>> > ><br>
>>> <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/**user/NE2/diary/18600" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/**user/NE2/diary/18600</a><<a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/NE2/diary/18600" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/NE2/diary/18600</a>><br>
>>> > ><br>
>>> > > richard<br>
>>> > ><br>
>>> > ><br>
>>> > ><br>
>>> > > ______________________________**_________________<br>
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>>> > ><br>
>>> > <div dir="ltr">So he's conveniently ignoring the left turn only<br>
>>> arrow there preventing a straight-on movement?</div><div<br>
>>> class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at<br>
>>> 5:09 PM, Richard Welty <span dir="ltr"><<a<br>
>>> href="mailto:<a href="mailto:rwelty@averillpark.net">rwelty@averillpark.net</a>"<br>
>>> target="_blank"><a href="mailto:rwelty@averillpark.net">rwelty@averillpark.net</a></a>></span> wrote:<br><br>
>>> > <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0<br>
>>> .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">NE2 asked me to share this<br>
>>> diary entry with the list:<br><br>
>>> > <br><br>
>>> > <a href="<a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/NE2/diary/18600" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/NE2/diary/18600</a>"<br>
>>> target="_blank"><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/</a><u></u>user/NE2/diary/18600</a><span<br>
>>> class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br>
>>> > <br><br>
>>> > richard</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><br>
>>> > <br><br>
>>> > <br><br>
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