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<blockquote type="cite" cite>stevea, <br>
Great work that you've done in your area with the neighborhood
classification.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>I would just caution that deriving
Neighborhood boundaries solely from the governments could be
problematic because they don't represent the other stakeholders
(mentioned earlier) and in the case of Cleveland, Ohio, neighborhood
names designated by city planners are used mostly for planning
purposes and have little influence on neighborhood identity reality on
the ground.</blockquote>
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<div>I totally agree, and thank you for the kudos. My little
city (and the way that it looks in OSM) is (now) only a rough sketch.
I am an "early contributor." That's why I'm casting a
wide net with "seed examples" of both city-government
defined districts (which DO have community input: we have a
vibrant and activist population who attend City Council meetings with
a serious fervor) AND the "more vague" centroids of simple
points that don't fit into a round hole as a the odd square peg named
"Terrace Hill" or "Midtown." (Alike.
This needs broad brushes because there are broad strokes required to
paint this canvas. Thankfully, OSM accommodates, even in both
standard rendering and indexing).</div>
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<div>Communities ought to have multiple identities, such as the
residential city-government consensus polygons I've mentioned, AND
centroid points of vague "here is something the locals call it
around her" alike. All are in the db, all render, and all
are shown in indexes, rather appropriately. This is OK, if not
pretty darn good.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>As darrell just mentioned, soliciting
people to draw their neighborhoods has been done in Boston by Andy
Woodward as well as Bill Morris in Burlington, Vt.<br>
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As for tagging, as I understand, based on existing practice and
previous discussions - <a
href=
"http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2009-August/001437.html"
>lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2009-August/001437.html</a>
and <a
href=
"http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2008-December/000594.html"
>lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2008-December/000594.html</a
><br>
, neighborhoods within municipal limits, place=suburb is actually the
most appropriate based on the tag's description in the wiki and d.
place=neighbourhood was for smaller, distinct areas that would be
considered to be within an existing neighborhood (place=suburb) but
also be referred to by and additional name as well. </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>An example of this in Cleveland would be
Gordon Square within the Detroit-Shoreway neighborhood.</blockquote>
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<div>Workable, plastic, inventive and appropriate. Excellent!
(IMHO).</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Regarding Zillow, I'd hesitate to import
them but only because of my very limited experience of them (being
Akron and Cleveland) where their neighborhood names were derived from
local government data sets and in both cases were quite outdated and
were representing the reality for most within Cleveland.</blockquote>
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<div>Neighborhood definition across the rural/urban USA in a map like
OSM (at least in these earlier years) is a fluid thing, it requires
essentially constant input. When and where we find we are
"talking ourselves to death" we can back off. Right
now this is about weaving together strands that make a braid of
consensus. So far, so good. I like the various approaches,
I like the "attaboys," I like the multiple input. Keep
it up! We are building a better national community about how
better to do this by this dialog (multi-log?) here.</div>
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<div>Capturing multiple semantics via slightly multiple syntax smears
is OK. We [can, might] sharpen focus later.</div>
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<div>Three-hundred-million-plus at a time, I find it humbling to type
like this. I am just a simple human being.</div>
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<div>SteveA</div>
<div>California</div>
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