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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you Harry, no – sorry – the landuse was mainly me; afterward I can explain why it’s beneficial to mash landuse on the map for response purposes. Yes, it will need cleaned up and Murry and others are making good progress.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>=Russ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Harry Wood [mailto:mail@harrywood.co.uk] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 14, 2013 11:45 AM<br><b>To:</b> Tom Taylor; Russell Deffner<br><b>Cc:</b> 'OSM US Talk'; 'hot'; 'Murry McEntire'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [HOT] [Talk-us] Black Forest Fire Update<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Here's a wiki page for coordination. Please feel free to edit<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Black_Forest_Fire_2013">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Black_Forest_Fire_2013</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Eugghh! The landuse data around here is a mess. Government data import I presume.... On the plus side. There's plenty to get stuck in and work on. I recommend JOSM for dealing with kind of tangled mess.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Harry<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Tom Taylor <<a href="mailto:tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com">tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> Russell Deffner <<a href="mailto:russdeffner@gmail.com">russdeffner@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Cc:</b> 'OSM US Talk' <<a href="mailto:talk-us@openstreetmap.org">talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a>>; 'hot' <<a href="mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org">hot@openstreetmap.org</a>>; 'Murry McEntire' <<a href="mailto:murry.mcentire@gmail.com">murry.mcentire@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 14 June 2013, 16:55<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [HOT] [Talk-us] Black Forest Fire Update</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>natural=wood is the obvious way to me. It's what I use here in Ottawa, <br>Canada.<br><br>On 14/06/2013 11:19 AM, Russell Deffner wrote:<br>> Just for the record, I don't disagree with Murry's suggestion and he and I<br>> have talked about this face-to-face. And I think you'd be the most local<br>> expert on this one, please feel free to change my tags.<br>><br>><br>><br>> Thanks!<br>><br>><br>><br>> From: Murry McEntire [mailto:<a href="mailto:murry.mcentire@gmail.com">murry.mcentire@gmail.com</a>]<br>> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 9:07 AM<br>> To: Paul Norman<br>> Cc: hot; OSM US Talk<br>> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Black Forest Fire Update<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:26 AM, Paul Norman <<a href="mailto:penorman@mac.com">penorman@mac.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> What do you think we should do with what I would normally tag natural=wood?<br>> There's plenty of woods in the residential areas that aren't mapped, but I'm<br>> not sure how to handle them.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> I was hoping long time users and experts would jump on this question. It<br>> bothers me a little that land_use=forest is used in the area of the Black<br>> Forest community as there hasn't been any real managed forest in the area<br>> for decades. Historically it was the area that was logged to build early<br>> Colorado Springs, and was over harvested so was no longer a forest. Then it<br>> was replanted and brought back - but was also largely subdivided, so it is<br>> now largely woodland covering residential lots. The lots are large, many 5<br>> acres and up. It now does not seem to fit the definition of landuse=forest<br>> of "Managed forest or woodland plantation".<br>><br>> The land cover is definitely trees in much of the area so natural=wood<br>> certainly fits and doen't conflict with landuse=residential but can<br>> complement it. natural=wood "Woodland where timber production does not<br>> dominate use."<br>><br>><br>> How landuse=forest is presented on renderers makes a resident of the Western<br>> United States think of National Forest land, as that is what other maps do.<br>> It might lead some, rightly or wrongly, to think of hikes and camping can be<br>> done there, but it is mostly peoples yards. The parks and open space of the<br>> area have been marked very well (and are mostly forested). The county<br>> contains much actual National Forest, just not in this area.<br>><br>> I am also aware that the tags can be badly defined, I'm trying to change<br>> that elsewhere now, but landuse=forest and natural=wood look to be good<br>> definitions. So experts, what is the proper way to map this? I'm just a<br>> casual mapper in OSM since April :-)<br>><br>> Murry<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> HOT mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a><br>><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>HOT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>