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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Charlotte,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t disagree with:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><br> If an organization doesn't reach out to people in a positive way, they won't stay, and they won't do their best when mapping<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But the key here is, this is different. What organization is/represents OSM? And beyond, how can any organization say they ‘are’ OSM? If you think the OSM-US (or international) Foundation(s) should be doing more, I think they’re always looking for volunteers to work with the <a href="http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Communication_Working_Group">Communications Working Group</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In a nutshell, I do my best to gently reach out to new mappers if I think they may need some guidance; but never say ‘you need to tag this differently’ (without an explanation of a better way).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>=Russ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:russdeffner@gmail.com">russdeffner@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>russdeffner on OSM<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Charlotte Wolter [mailto:techlady@techlady.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bryce Nesbitt; Talk-US@openstreetmap.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Bryce,<br><br> Yes, most people sign up and never hear from OSM again. So they go about their mapping as best they can until, perhaps, they join the Newbies list (which often has highly technical discussions that many don't understand) or they get told they are doing something wrong.<br> If an organization doesn't reach out to people in a positive way, they won't stay, and they won't do their best when mapping<br> It would be better if there were some kind of regular, positive communication from OSM. That could come in several forms:<br> --a newsletter (monthly or bimonthly), which is something most volunteer organizations have (so, why don't we?)<br> --occasional emails about new developments in OSM mapping. MapRoulette and LearnOSM are prime examples.<br> --outreach from OSM "veterans" to mappers in their geographical area. This could be as simple as, "Hello, I'm mapping in (your area). If you have a question, don't hesitate to contact me." Of course we would need to set up some way to send new mappers email addresses to seasoned mappers.<br> As for tests, the idea itself is not bad, in the proper context. But, unless we have a rapport with people, and have given them clear direction and learning resources (something we don't do now), a test will just drive them away. <br> A better way to do testing might be to let people know from the beginning that we want to make sure everyone is mapping the right way, so at some point (after a month?) we will be asking them to take a quick quiz on OSM principles. The carrot is that the one with the best score (each month?) gets a prize (SOTM t-shirt? OSM hat? OSM pin?). Rewards keep people around, not criticism.<br> Now all we have to do is come to some agreement on what is the right way to tag. :-)<br><br>Charlotte<br> <br><br>At 10:41 AM 6/26/2013, you wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Moved from another thread:<br><br>On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:51 AM, stevea <<a href="mailto:steveaOSM@softworkers.com"> steveaOSM@softworkers.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>OSM has a peer review process in place right now. It is called "watch the map, help it evolve, grow it as you can, if somebody does something odd/wrong/different, dialog with them." And then, take it from there.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'>We're all grown ups here.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>There may be a few children mixed in. But mostly, coming to OSM, signing up, and mapping can be a very lonely experience.<br>In most cases nobody greets you or talks to you unless you make a mistake.<br><br>Changing that culture could change the participation or retention rate, particularly among non-grownups (meaning the generations of children growing up with social networking as a given). OSM outside of mapping parties is only barely social to a new mapper.<br><br>The tools could help:<br>1) After the first edit from a new user, the tools could present a list of rules (chief among them don't copy from unapproved sources!).<br>2) A new users could be required to take a small quiz, like certain dating sites do, prior to finalizing the edit.<br>3) A first edit could go in a queue for an experienced mapper to look at and comment on. Hopefully that comment is "great job, welcome to the community!"<br>4) Editing a feature connected to a relation could bring up education on route relations. Perhaps even there is a skill level threshold: you must have 25 peer reviewed edits prior to deleting a way that's part of a route relation. It becomes a goal a new mapper might strive to reach.<br>5) New users could be given 10 free edits, prior to needing to provide more contact information and/or pass an editing quiz.<br>6) New users could be given their choice of a mapping challenge, where the "correct" results are known,.<br>7) etc.<br><br>With all this effort to get new mappers in the USA we should be thrilled a mapper wants to contribute...<br>... and put in the work to ensure such new users be onboarded and brought into OSM culture.<br><br>Note that:<br>Wikipedia has a strong reasons to allow completely anonymous edits. OSM I think not so much. We could ask<br>more of people who want to edit, with the goal of making more good mappers, rather than just more mappers.<br>We should honor an support mappers who have narrow interests... and find ways to harness their energy. We can ask users to ascend a ladder of skills, to unlock capabilities within the community.<br><br><br>And it could be tested regionally. If there's a theory that "raising the bar" will reduce participation, it can be tested. I suspect that peer review of first edits, or achievement levels, would increase participation.<br><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-us mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org">Talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us</a><o:p></o:p></p><p>Charlotte Wolter<br>927 18th Street Suite A<br>Santa Monica, California<br>90403<br>+1-310-597-4040<br><a href="mailto:techlady@techlady.com">techlady@techlady.com</a><br>Skype: thetechlady<br><br><b>The Four Internet Freedoms</b> <br>Freedom to visit any site on the Internet<br>Freedom to access any content or service that is not illegal<br>Freedom to attach any device that does not interfere with the network<br>Freedom to know all the terms of a service, particularly any that would affect the first three freedoms.<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>