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Hello all,<br><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>While I
agree with Clifford that more publicity is essential to grow the
organization, another strategy that might be effective is to work through
organizations that could have a use for the maps or for mapping as a
teaching exercise. We don't have direct access to large audiences of
potential members, such as students or business people, but we could work
with their organizations to reach them.<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Groups,
such as science teachers, could add OpenStreetMap to their lesson plans.
They could be reached through their national convention.<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Local
business can be reached through groups, such as the Chamber of Commerce
or Jaycees. Articles in their national newsletters or presentations at
their national conventions could reach large numbers.<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>I'm sure
you all can think of other examples of organizations that might work this
way.<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Of course,
in cases such as this we would have to reach out and establish
relationships with their national organizations. This is the kind of
thing that needs to be done in a coordinated fashioin, not just someone
going out and doing it on their own. But it would be a lot more
cost-effective in reaching large numbers than trying get to individuals
directly. <br><br>
Charlotte<br>
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At 03:08 PM 7/19/2013, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Hello,<br><br>
Most people would agree that we don't have nearly enough people mapping.
Clearly, transcending our early adopter types of GIS and open source
software people will be needed. However, effective strategies for on
boarding the next million people are going to be very different than what
was needed to get the first say 100,000 people signed up. I know this is
very un PC to say, but things like mapping parties/local chapters which
were absolutely essential to recruit the first 100,000 people, really
will not matter much going forward. Even if you get 100 people per
mapping party, its 15,000 mapping parties, to get the next 1.5 million
mappers! We need to be thinking about things that will scale to lots, and
lots of people. <br>
<br>
Clifford, of your 4 ideas only getting coverage in mainstream press would
probably be effective. Besides working on mainstream press, getting
people using our data is *and* understanding they can come in and change
it is probably our best hope because it scales.<br><br>
1. Push back on high volume down stream data consumers that do the
absolute minimum on working with us. For example, foursquare, who has 30
million users, is doing an awful job supporting us. They have the OSM
credit buried in a blog posting which a bunch of other items. They don't
even mention that anybody can go to OSM to edit the map. Shame on them!!
Cragslists, does a much better job. They have an OSM link on the bottom
of the map and have a way of reporting problems on the map from their
interface via our notes features. I am sure Cragslists has been drivings
new mappers into the project. Other high volume consumer need to look
more like Cragslists, and not foursquare, or Apple.<br><br>
2.We just had a big thread on this on the main talk list, but we need to
support using our main web page for using our data for finding stuff,
getting directions, and for mapping verticals (hiking, golf, bike,
trains, hunting, etc). Just today we took a step in this direction,
and enabled the ability to use the location services to find your current
position on the main web site! Our second fund raising round, includes a
computer for router, and more tile servers. It looks like we are moving
in this direction. <br><br>
3. Last bit, which we are also doing, is to improve our conversion rate.
The new ID editor is pretty nice and I think will help. <br><br>
Its coming, I'm optimistic about our direction. But, we do need to
understand that the project is at a new phase now. Even though it is lots
of fun, getting together for mapping parties is not getting us the next
1.5 million people.<br><br>
Thanks<br>
Jason.<br><br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
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On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Clifford Snow
<<a href="mailto:clifford@snowandsnow.us">clifford@snowandsnow.us</a>
> wrote:<br>
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<dd>We have over 200 mappers contributing to OSM in the US driving us to
second place, but way behind Germany. Look at OSM Stats for the details.
<a href="http://osmstats.altogetherlost.com/index.php?item=countries">
http://osmstats.altogetherlost.com/index.php?item=countries</a><br><br>
<dd>Second place is good, but I wonder what we could be if we made it our
goal to increase the number of active mappers. When you look at our
numbers against our population, there is a lot of room for growth. See
the chart of the top 10 below. The data was taken from osmstats along
with population data from Wikipedia. <br><br>
<dd>Rank Country Population Mappers Nodes Created Nodes Modified Deleted
Nodes New Nodes Per Mapper Mappers per 1M Population <br>
<dd>1 Germany <font face="Times New Roman, Times">80,493,000 </font>564
72992 40981 7174 129 7.01 <br>
<dd>2 United States <font face="Times New Roman, Times">316,278,000
</font>202 62036 18103 23815 307 0.64 <br>
<dd>3 Russia <font face="Times New Roman, Times">143,400,000 </font>191
84192 17872 3008 441 1.33 <br>
<dd>4 France <font face="Times New Roman, Times">65,684,000 </font>182
116333 14463 13497 639 2.77 <br>
<dd>5 Italy 59,704,082 116 42873 10047 2603 370 1.94 <br>
<dd>6 United Kingdom <font face="Times New Roman, Times">63,181,775
</font>113 36210 4111 2233 320 1.79 <br>
<dd>7 Poland <font face="Times New Roman, Times">38,533,299 </font>91
37578 4271 4112 413 2.36 <br>
<dd>8 Austria <font face="Times New Roman, Times">8,464,554 </font>77
18564 4414 948 241 9.10 <br>
<dd>9 Spain <font face="Times New Roman, Times">47,059,533 </font>70
25214 3745 712 360 1.49 <br>
<dd>10 Belgium <font face="Times New Roman, Times">11,153,405 </font>52
16430 2201 1670 316 4.66 <br><br>
<dd>I'd like to suggest that we adopt a goal of increasing the number of
active mappers in the US. I'm not sure how we accomplish it, but I'd like
to solicit suggestions and feedback. Lets set some target goals. I
think this is a worth while project to work on. <br><br>
<dd>I'll start by just listing a few of my thoughts:<br>
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<dd>We need publicity!<br>
<dd>Increase diversity of mappers by attracting more women and minority
mappers<br>
<dd>Support for local groups<br>
<dd>OSM Ambassadors (Like Fedora Ambassadors if you are familiar with the
linux distribution Fedora)<br><br>
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<dd>Cheers,<br>
<dd><font color="#888888">-- <br>
<dd>Clifford<br><br>
<dd>OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch<br>
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