<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 28.07.2013 17:51, schrieb stevea:<br>
.......<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:p06240879ce1ae813ee34@%5B192.168.31.124%5D"
type="cite">
<style type="text/css"><!--
blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { padding-top: 0 ; padding-bottom: 0 }
--></style>
<title>Re: [Talk-us] Spammy-sounding survey sent to my OSM
inbox</title>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I might be the nicest person you have ever met, I hope I am a
good OSM mapper, and I am kind to children and animals.
However,
I vehemently oppose OSM collecting any additional
personally-identifiable data. My birth year, employment status,
gender and other such data are nobody's business but mine. And
you might call me a privacy nut if you know me, but I have given
more
(and more personally-identifiable information) about myself to
OSM
than I have to any other volunteer project in my life.</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Be assured that you are by no reasonable standard a "privacy nut" if
you want to reassure yourself, take a look at the now 100 messages
long thread (not counting at least one spin off thread) on talk-de
on the privacy issues related to associating user id, display name
and edits.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:p06240879ce1ae813ee34@%5B192.168.31.124%5D"
type="cite">
<div> I have
done so knowing what OSM's existing "privacy policies" are:
nothing specific except those specified and implied by the
License
Terms, and I like it that way. So, I continue to contribute.
Asking me for demographics directly threatens my willingness to
contribute in the future.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</blockquote>
Not only do we have a privacy policy (see <a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy</a>)
that is linked to the first step of account creation, we (and that
means everybody on the community that has access to data that we
don't consider / isn't public) are bound by law to abide by certain
procedures and practices (in particular UK data protection
legislation).<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:p06240879ce1ae813ee34@%5B192.168.31.124%5D"
type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite" cite=""><font face="Arial" color="#222222">There
are
privacy issues, for those accounts who provide demographics
"only to researchers".</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite=""><font face="Arial" color="#222222">If
demographics
are included with editing stats, it becomes probable
someone could work the data in reverse to reveal the member
ID.</font></blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You are darn right there are privacy issues. As OSM has
absolutely no Privacy Policy (that I am aware of) that isn't
already
included in the License Terms I (and thousands of others) have
agreed
to, the privacy issues are "what is out there is out there and
what is not out there is not available." Any attempt to
change this<i> ex post facto</i> is going to inflame the same
sort of
ugly backlash that changing the License Terms from CC-BY-SA to
ODBL
did: a nasty feeling of betrayal by OSM contributors (which
still has not completely gone away, even for many who have
agreed to
the new terms). Who wants to go first with THAT?!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</blockquote>
See above.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:p06240879ce1ae813ee34@%5B192.168.31.124%5D"
type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite" cite=""><font face="Arial" color="#222222">Beyond
that
I think it reasonable to ask more of mappers. Wikipedia has
a good argument for anonymous editing.
OpenStreetMap? I think not so much.</font></blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>No, it is not reasonable to ask more of mappers.
OpenStreetMap absolutely has the same good arguments for the
sort of
semi-anonymous mapping it enjoys right now. Do you want to
chill
new mappers as well as dyed-in-the-wool contributors to what is
a
great project? OK, then start talking about "asking more"
of us in the direction of privacy-invading demographic
information.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This "knowing everything about everybody" has gone too
far. You don't know about padeshahekhoban? Neither do I.
And I really don't care to: I'm busy mapping.</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
I can assure you, that even if now and then it would be nice to have
better ways of contacting mappers (aka knowing their real name and
address), there is definitely no intention of expanding the
information we require for an account (a working e-mail address)
and very very clearly no intent to collect any kind of information
that could be considered sensitive personal information (gender, age
etc). As said above just the legal requirements we would then have
to fulfil make it clear that this will not happen (not to mention
the community outrage that it would cause).<br>
<br>
Simon<br>
</body>
</html>