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Hi all,<br>
<br>
I got the permission from RTD to import their GIS data into OSM. I'm
guessing I should post this somewhere on the wiki. Where's the best
place for that?<br>
<br>
--Derek<br>
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<td>RE: FW: RTD's GIS Data in OpenStreetMap</td>
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<td>Jackson, Dan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Dan.Jackson@rtd-denver.com"><Dan.Jackson@rtd-denver.com></a></td>
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<td>'Derek Kniffin' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:derek.kniffin@gmail.com"><derek.kniffin@gmail.com></a></td>
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<td>Trujillo, Lisa <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Lisa.Trujillo@rtd-denver.com"><Lisa.Trujillo@rtd-denver.com></a>,
Asphaug, Rolf <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Rolf.Asphaug@rtd-denver.com"><Rolf.Asphaug@rtd-denver.com></a></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Derek,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";background:white">"RTD
has no objections to geodata derived in part from
RTD's GIS data being incorporated into the OpenStreetMap
project geodata
database and released under a free and open license"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Dan
Jackson<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Lead
Architect<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Regional
Transportation
District<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">1560
Broadway
Suite 610 Denver, CO 80202 | RTD MC: FAS-61<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">303.299-6132
(O)
| 303.299.6197 (F) | 303.913.8185 (C)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Derek
Kniffin
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:derek.kniffin@gmail.com">mailto:derek.kniffin@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 30, 2013 10:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jackson, Dan<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: FW: RTD's GIS Data in OpenStreetMap<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Hey Dan,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Thanks for the response. FYI, I got another response from
someone
at RTD saying "Your request was forwarded to the GIS Map
Coordinator. We
will do a follow up on it."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I asked the people "in the know" what exactly I need from RTD
before I can import the data to OSM, and they said that I
need a
statement that you are willing to re-license the data in terms
compatible with
the Open Database License (ODbL). A good summary of the ODbL
can be found here:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/">http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/</a>.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Something like t<span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">his
would
s</span>uffice:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";background:white">"RTD
has no objections to geodata derived in part from
RTD's GIS data being incorporated into the OpenStreetMap
project geodata
database and released under a free and open license"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Thanks!<br>
--Derek<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Derek,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Please
see
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.rtd-denver.com/Developer.shtml"
target="_blank">http://www.rtd-denver.com/Developer.shtml</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
the
intention is to provide a free service to the public,
RTD’s Transit Data </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">can
be
published on any interactive web map, similar to what
others have done.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Google
Maps
– Transit, at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/transit/#mdy"
target="_blank">http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/transit/#mdy</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Bing
Maps
– Transit, at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.bing.com/maps/transitdefault.aspx"
target="_blank">http://www.bing.com/maps/transitdefault.aspx</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Nokia/HERE
–
Transit, at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nokia.com/global/apps/app/here-transit/"
target="_blank">http://www.nokia.com/global/apps/app/here-transit/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Feel
free
to contact me if you have any questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Dan Jackson</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Lead
Architect</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Regional
Transportation
District</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">1560
Broadway Suite
610 Denver, CO 80202 | RTD MC: FAS-61</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:303.299-6132"
target="_blank">303.299-6132</a> (O) | <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:303.299.6197"
target="_blank">303.299.6197</a> (F) | <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:303.913.8185"
target="_blank">303.913.8185</a> (C)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Trujillo, Lisa <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jackson, Dan<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Fwd: RTD's GIS Data in
OpenStreetMap</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dan
can
you answer this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Lisa
Trujillo<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">RTD
Acting
Public Relations Manager<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:303-241-1235"
target="_blank">303-241-1235</a> <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Sent
from
my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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Derek Kniffin <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:derek.kniffin@gmail.com"
target="_blank">derek.kniffin@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date:</b> August 26, 2013, 1:23:54 PM MDT<br>
<b>To:</b> "Trujillo, Lisa" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Lisa.Trujillo@rtd-denver.com"
target="_blank">Lisa.Trujillo@rtd-denver.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <b>RTD's GIS Data in OpenStreetMap</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi,<br>
<br>
I'm pretty sure you're the wrong contact for my
inquiry, but you were <br>
the closest I see to "tech support" on RTD's contact
page, so feel
free <br>
to redirect me to the right people, if necessary.<br>
<br>
I'm writing to inquire about the copyright limits of
RTD's GIS data. I <br>
found a page where I can download the data <br>
(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://gis.rtd-denver.com/MapServer/datadownload.aspx"
target="_blank">http://gis.rtd-denver.com/MapServer/datadownload.aspx</a>)
but it says that <br>
the data is copyrighted. What I'd like to do is
import that GIS data <br>
into a service called OpenStreetMap (OSM for short).
It's a free, open <br>
data source for world-wide maps, that is used for
many other services <br>
such as Foursquare, MapQuest, and Craigslist. See <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://osm.org"
target="_blank">http://osm.org</a> and <br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap"
target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap</a>
for more details.<br>
<br>
Currently, there are many RTD stops and routes
mapped in OSM, but <br>
nowhere near all of them. It'd be a great if RTD's
source GIS data could <br>
be imported. However, the OSM data is licensed under
the Open Database <br>
License (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ODBL"
target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ODBL</a>),
and
so I will <br>
probably need to get a license for OSM to use RTD
data.<br>
<br>
Just to be clear, I do not represent OSM. I am one
individual inquiring <br>
about this information. If a larger discussion needs
to be had, there <br>
are OSM foundations that I can contact to help me
with that.<br>
<br>
Please let me know if it would be possible to get
permission to use this <br>
data in OSM.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Derek Kniffin<o:p></o:p></p>
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