<p dir="ltr">Cleveland may have something to say on that :) </p>
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Today's Topics:<br>
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1. State of the Map US 2014 April 12 and 13 in Washington DC<br>
(Alex Barth)<br>
2. Re: Tags to use for chain stores in the United States<br>
(Richard Welty)<br>
3. Re: State of the Map US 2014 April 12 and 13 in Washington DC<br>
(Richard Welty)<br>
4. Re: Tags to use for chain stores in the United States<br>
(John F. Eldredge)<br>
5. Re: Tags to use for chain stores in the United States<br>
(Sean Bartell)<br>
6. Re: Tags to use for chain stores in the United States<br>
(Martin Koppenhoefer)<br>
7. Re: Tags to use for chain stores in the United States<br>
(Richard Welty)<br>
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:22:26 -0500<br>
From: Alex Barth <<a href="mailto:alex@openstreetmap.us">alex@openstreetmap.us</a>><br>
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Hello everyone -<br>
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The OpenStreetMap US team is happy to announce that the State of the Map US<br>
2014 will take place in Washington DC on April 12 and 13.<br>
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I'm excited about this location as it is a great place to showcase the<br>
growing adoption of OpenStreetMap among individual mappers, in government,<br>
non profits and businesses in the US and abroad. The city is easily<br>
accessible and many individual and institutional OpenStreetMap contributors<br>
are located nearby. In addition to bringing together the existing<br>
OpenStreetMap ecosystem we have great potential to capture audiences who<br>
might not have tried OpenStreetMap yet.<br>
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After all, we want to grow OpenStreetMap, in numbers and diversity.<br>
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Please find all details on our blog:<br>
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<a href="http://openstreetmap.us/2013/12/state-of-the-map-us-2014/" target="_blank">http://openstreetmap.us/2013/12/state-of-the-map-us-2014/</a><br>
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We will post a call for session proposals soon. Looking forward to your<br>
submissions and I hope to see you in Washington DC -<br>
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:26:28 -0500<br>
From: Richard Welty <<a href="mailto:rwelty@averillpark.net">rwelty@averillpark.net</a>><br>
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On 12/11/13 3:18 PM, Mike N wrote:<br>
> Just an opinion about the superstore that includes a full sized<br>
> supermarket and full sized non-food department store: it almost merits<br>
> its own tag, or at least 2 nodes to clearly show the 2 store classes.<br>
> But then one could also argue to include the in-store bank,<br>
> hairdresser, nail salon, snack shop, etc as separate nodes.<br>
separate nodes is probably the way to go, actually. a walmart super center<br>
consists of a walmart discount department store, a walmart supermarket, and<br>
a suite of the various in store services. i think you need a separate node<br>
because - citizen's bank, pizza hut, nathan's hot dogs, etc. you should<br>
identify<br>
the vendors providing the in store services because who they are can matter.<br>
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richard<br>
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:29:30 -0500<br>
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On 12/11/13 3:22 PM, Alex Barth wrote:<br>
> Hello everyone -<br>
><br>
> The OpenStreetMap US team is happy to announce that the State of the<br>
> Map US 2014 will take place in Washington DC on April 12 and 13.<br>
glad to see it come back to the east coast, as this is a good location for<br>
me (i can drive instead of fly).<br>
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but it'd be good to see a mid western location in 2015.<br>
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richard<br>
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:31:09 -0600<br>
From: "John F. Eldredge" <<a href="mailto:john@jfeldredge.com">john@jfeldredge.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Tags to use for chain stores in the United<br>
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Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> 2013/12/11 Brad Neuhauser <<a href="mailto:brad.neuhauser@gmail.com">brad.neuhauser@gmail.com</a>><br>
><br>
> > Personally, I tag "big box" stores like Target, KMart, WalMart etc<br>
> with<br>
> > shop=department_store, just because that seems like the closest fit<br>
> that<br>
> > isn't too restrictive (they're much more than a supermarket, to my<br>
> mind).<br>
> ><br>
><br>
><br>
> a supermarket can sell a lot of stuff that is not food and still<br>
> remain a<br>
> supermarket, e.g. the bigger ones might also sell clothing or some<br>
> consumer<br>
> electronics (tv, pc). A department_store has lots of stuff and lots of<br>
> salesclerks serving you.<br>
><br>
> kmart vs.<br>
> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/72294117@N03/7645650440/in/photolist-cDBXvj-dq7UY1-ePHTru-bzJeq-bzJiD-cLqWVb-cLqV7E-cLr1dJ-9HVd61-93H2Bi-fqvVSW-fqgRhp-fqgCZF-fqvSz9-fqgDvH-9XxowN-cDBZdU-cz73B1-8pPW7V-gvtUD5-gvtG83-7MJmWf-7MJoSQ-7MEupg-7MJuo7-7MJoKf-7MEpki-7MJrKW-7MEmRp-7MEmtr-7MEB4M-7MJtrd-7MJn5G-7MEBMa-7MEmAt-92tyfy-ePJ3xs-gvubH6-akA57y-ekk8vZ-cgQsed-7Zsd71-cXAMRY-cXAL4q-cXAHio-cXAJiQ-asWMnp-buguzF-bugtMt-c4vfy9-8m1Xv1" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/72294117@N03/7645650440/in/photolist-cDBXvj-dq7UY1-ePHTru-bzJeq-bzJiD-cLqWVb-cLqV7E-cLr1dJ-9HVd61-93H2Bi-fqvVSW-fqgRhp-fqgCZF-fqvSz9-fqgDvH-9XxowN-cDBZdU-cz73B1-8pPW7V-gvtUD5-gvtG83-7MJmWf-7MJoSQ-7MEupg-7MJuo7-7MJoKf-7MEpki-7MJrKW-7MEmRp-7MEmtr-7MEB4M-7MJtrd-7MJn5G-7MEBMa-7MEmAt-92tyfy-ePJ3xs-gvubH6-akA57y-ekk8vZ-cgQsed-7Zsd71-cXAMRY-cXAL4q-cXAHio-cXAJiQ-asWMnp-buguzF-bugtMt-c4vfy9-8m1Xv1</a><br>
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> department stores:<br>
> <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Central_Department_Store_ZUM_Sofia_20090406_007.JPG" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Central_Department_Store_ZUM_Sofia_20090406_007.JPG</a><br>
> <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Harrods%27_Egyptian_room.JPG" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Harrods%27_Egyptian_room.JPG</a><br>
> <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Paris_Lafayette_inside.jpg" target="_blank">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Paris_Lafayette_inside.jpg</a><br>
> <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KaDeWe_Deli.JPG" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KaDeWe_Deli.JPG</a><br>
><br>
> generally a department_store has more of the pricier stuff or at least<br>
> tries not to appear too cheap, while a supermarket tries the opposite:<br>
> appear as cheap as possible. Also a supermarket will have a huge<br>
> parking in<br>
> front of it, while a department store will be found in the city center<br>
> and<br>
> will have an underground or parking deck.<br>
><br>
> For those you name I think they would be better classified as<br>
> supermarkets.<br>
><br>
> cheers,<br>
> Martin<br>
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However, in common usage, supermarket refers to a store where the majority of merchandise sold is food. The big-box stores typically sell some food, but the majority of the merchandise is not food.<br>
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:55:27 -0600<br>
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Richard Welty on 2013-12-11:<br>
> On 12/11/13 3:18 PM, Mike N wrote:<br>
> > Just an opinion about the superstore that includes a full sized<br>
> > supermarket and full sized non-food department store: it almost merits<br>
> > its own tag, or at least 2 nodes to clearly show the 2 store classes.<br>
> > But then one could also argue to include the in-store bank,<br>
> > hairdresser, nail salon, snack shop, etc as separate nodes.<br>
> separate nodes is probably the way to go, actually. a walmart super center<br>
> consists of a walmart discount department store, a walmart supermarket, and<br>
> a suite of the various in store services. i think you need a separate node<br>
> because - citizen's bank, pizza hut, nathan's hot dogs, etc. you should<br>
> identify<br>
> the vendors providing the in store services because who they are can matter.<br>
<br>
+1, especially since each sub-store may have its own opening hours,<br>
website, and phone number. I've also been using separate nodes for<br>
pharmacies and banks within supermarkets.<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 22:16:26 +0100<br>
From: Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Richard Welty <<a href="mailto:rwelty@averillpark.net">rwelty@averillpark.net</a>><br>
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> Am 11/dic/2013 um 21:26 schrieb Richard Welty <<a href="mailto:rwelty@averillpark.net">rwelty@averillpark.net</a>>:<br>
><br>
> a walmart super center<br>
> consists of a walmart discount department store, a walmart supermarket, and<br>
> a suite of the various in store services. i think you need a separate node<br>
> because - citizen's bank, pizza hut, nathan's hot dogs, etc. you should<br>
> identify<br>
> the vendors providing the in store services because who they are can matter.<br>
<br>
<br>
are these different from a shopping mall? Maybe that's a new class like shop=super_center (or is this a brand?) or superstore or ...<br>
Or maybe an attribute to supermarket?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Martin<br>
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:23:23 -0500<br>
From: Richard Welty <<a href="mailto:rwelty@averillpark.net">rwelty@averillpark.net</a>><br>
To: Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Tags to use for chain stores in the United<br>
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On 12/11/13 4:16 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:<br>
<br>
>are these different from a shopping mall? Maybe that's a new class like<br>
>shop=super_center (or is this a brand?) or superstore or ...<br>
> Or maybe an attribute to supermarket?<br>
<br>
shop=super_center would make some sense.<br>
<br>
basically, they're an even bigger version of the big box,<br>
with the discount department store on one side and<br>
the supermarket on the other, neither really being<br>
dominant. and usually they have some contract vendors<br>
for additional services near the exists, like banks,<br>
food vendors, opticians, etc.<br>
<br>
so you could draw one big outline and then nodes<br>
for the supermarket, the department_store, and<br>
the individual vendors. or you could tag the whole<br>
outline with shop=supercenter and then drop nodes<br>
for the contractors (amenity=fast_food, name=Pizza Hut<br>
and so forth)<br>
<br>
richard<br>
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