<div dir="ltr">Someone in the Valley Forge area also tagged refs on a LOT of four-digit State Routes that aren't signed...seems like this belongs in a relation with unsigned_ref and the ref should be unsigned_ref. Yes, I know they're on the bridge placards and what not, but there's no route shields on these.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:58 PM, James Mast <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rickmastfan67@hotmail.com" target="_blank">rickmastfan67@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr">Same thing goes with Florida. Just the state outline.<br><br>Heck, in Pennsylvania, originally on BGS's before we started to use the Keystone shield, we used the 'PA' abbreviation (one such sign that still stands [1]). However, now on the little white reference mileage signs [2] that PennDOT posts on roads they maintain, it says 'SR' (even on Interstates). However, PennDOT recently posted a nice little gem on PA-28 @ Exit #6 going both directions that goes back in time and mentions the 'PA' on the sign. [3] There are at least 3 of these signs (2 going SB, at least 1 going NB).<br><br>-James<br><br>[1] - <a href="http://goo.gl/maps/RsXme" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/maps/RsXme</a> <br>[2] - <a href="http://goo.gl/maps/ARr9s" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/maps/ARr9s</a> <br>[3] - <a href="http://youtu.be/W3xI5Y8eRk4?t=2m1s" target="_blank">http://youtu.be/W3xI5Y8eRk4?t=2m1s</a> (the video needs to be paused right here @ 2m1s to see the sign clearly)<br><br><br><div><hr>From: <a href="mailto:burkejf3@gmail.com" target="_blank">burkejf3@gmail.com</a><br>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 00:55:13 -0500<br>To: <a href="mailto:talk-us@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a><span class=""><br>Subject: Re: [Talk-us] State highway refs (was Re: New I.D Feature)<br><br></span><div><div class="h5">In Georgia, (almost?) all state roads are signed with the state outline and the highway number, but no "GA" or "Georgia" text with it. Occasionally you might see "State Road" or "State Route" printed on the sign in addition to the state outline. In some very rural areas, I think there might still be a few un-logoed signs, but probably not many. <br>
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-jack<br><br><div>On November 30, 2014 5:58:53 PM EST, Minh Nguyen <<a href="mailto:minh@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us" target="_blank">minh@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us</a>> wrote:<blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<pre>On 2014-11-30 10:41, stevea wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #729fcf;padding-left:1ex"> My two cents: I must say that here in California, I've made it a habit<br> to remove the "County Route" designation (CR) which precedes a ref<br> number in our County Route system. For example, NE2 (a banned-from-OSM<br> former contributor for those unfamiliar with that history) entered ref<br> tags for many G2, N1... county routes as "CR G2" and "CR N1." That, in<br> my opinion, is so redundant (as G and N and A and S... are well-known<br> multi-county/regional-within-California county highway networks) as to<br> be true clutter. People in California do know (and routing software,<br> renderers... SHOULD know) that A1, G2, N4 and S16 are county routes in a<br> lettered system where each letter represents a cluster of counties...at<br> least in California.<br></blockquote><br>Some northwest Ohio counties post shields along section line roads that <br>say A, B, C, etc. So far I've been tagging them like "CR A", even though <br>you'd be hard-pressed to find that style anywhere outside of OSM. <br>Instead of reducing ambiguity, I wonder if the "CR" may cause very mild <br>confusion, for example when a router tells its user to turn onto "CR R".<br><br><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #729fcf;padding-left:1ex"> Also, while "SR" (for "State Route" in California and other states) is<br> still legally correct, I still might change for consistency's sake any<br> "SR" prefix I see in a highway route relation ref tag to be "CA"<br> instead. So, while "SR 17" is correct, I much prefer "CA 17" and will<br> change it to that if I see SR in a California highway route relation ref<br> tag.<br></blockquote><br>Yes, usage is different in California. I've only ever seen "SR" on <br>signage a few times, in rather obscure places. But in Ohio, it's ubiquitous.<br><br><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #729fcf;padding-left:1ex"> I agree with what we (as OSM volunteers entering/editing data in our<br> map) now do, as well as what map styles/renderers and routing engines<br> do, as Minh notes above: "recognize the state abbreviation, SR or SH."<br> Yes, Michigan still has its M- routes, and I think OSM (both its human<br> editors and software components) should just learn to cope with that<br> (plus perhaps a few other states) as exceptions to this largely (though<br> not completely) applicable rule. I believe we are pretty much there,<br> but we still have edge cases, data in the map and newer contributors who<br> are not completely familiar with these conventions in the USA.<br> Discussing it here helps, though wiki documentation and taginfo data<br> which are consistent across
the fifty states is better.<br></blockquote><br>My response to anyone who wants more consistency is that route relations <br>are the way forward. They may be painful now but they make the data a <br>lot less subject to interpretation.<br></pre></blockquote></div><br>
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